Next Year's Triple A Team

Heyward said:
Depends on the price.

How much you think it would cost to sign Minor?
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Chris Sale last year had a similar year to what Minor is having this year. His contract would probably be looked at as a predecent. This is his contract signed going into his last pre-arb year (I believe Minor will fall short of Super 2 status and have his last pre-arb year in 2014).

◾13:$0.85M, 14:$3.5M, 15:$6M, 16:$9.15M, 17:$12M, 18:$12.5M club option ($1M buyout), 19:$13.5M club option ($1M buyout)
◾2019 option increases 1) by $2.5M to $16M with a Cy Young in 2013-18 or 2) by $1.5M to $15M with a second- or third-place finish in Cy Young vote in 2013-18
 
nsacpi said:
Chris Sale last year had a similar year to what Minor is having this year. His contract would probably be looked at as a predecent. This is his contract signed going into his last pre-arb year (I believe Minor will fall short of Super 2 status and have his last pre-arb year in 2014).

◾13:$0.85M, 14:$3.5M, 15:$6M, 16:$9.15M, 17:$12M, 18:$12.5M club option ($1M buyout), 19:$13.5M club option ($1M buyout)
◾2019 option increases 1) by $2.5M to $16M with a Cy Young in 2013-18 or 2) by $1.5M to $15M with a second- or third-place finish in Cy Young vote in 2013-18
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I'd gladly do that.

You need a couple stud arms at the top of your staff.
 
I dont know what Wren will do but I do want Huddy re-signed and Wood to start at AAA. Odds are Wood would still make 20+ starts in the majors. I would rather have a good option at AAA than to plan on having 5 healthy starters all year. Hudson's injury was supposed to be a 4 month recovery and its not an arm injury so he should be fine by spring training. We never know when a starter could go down with TJ surgery and miss a year.

The AAA team next year looks to have a lot of potential bench players and fringe starters. Really good depth to have. I like Cunningham and the Terd Burglar, always good to have switch hitters on the team. I wont be surprised if some team makes a good offer for Schafer and the Braves take it.
 
I don't mean to jump the subject but I really wonder what the Bench and Pen will look like in atlanta next year. Lots of options. And I want to re-sign EOF just to be out lefty trade guy for July. Don't even worry about him and just let him rehab slowly. If he doesn't come back to August so what.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I dont know what Wren will do but I do want Huddy re-signed and Wood to start at AAA. Odds are Wood would still make 20+ starts in the majors. I would rather have a good option at AAA than to plan on having 5 healthy starters all year. Hudson's injury was supposed to be a 4 month recovery and its not an arm injury so he should be fine by spring training. We never know when a starter could go down with TJ surgery and miss a year.

The AAA team next year looks to have a lot of potential bench players and fringe starters. Really good depth to have. I like Cunningham and the Terd Burglar, always good to have switch hitters on the team. I wont be surprised if some team makes a good offer for Schafer and the Braves take it.
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On Huddy, depends how much he wants.

I think Wood needs to be in the rotation.

If we can't keep Mac, I wouldn't mind dipping into the FA market for a starter like AJ Burnett or Garza.
 
skidlee said:
I don't mean to jump the subject but I really wonder what the Bench and Pen will look like in atlanta next year. Lots of options. And I want to re-sign EOF just to be out lefty trade guy for July. Don't even worry about him and just let him rehab slowly. If he doesn't come back to August so what.
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What about former Brave, Mike Gonzalez?

Do we offer Venters arbitration?

I'd bring back EOF if possible. A cheap one year deal then he can cash in the following year if he comes back strong.

We have some interesting options off the bench next year.
 
Heyward said:
What about former Brave, Mike Gonzalez?

Do we offer Venters arbitration?

I'd bring back EOF if possible. A cheap one year deal then he can cash in the following year if he comes back strong.

We have some interesting options off the bench next year.
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I wouldn't hate Mike but I want EOF for the run next year. 1 yr 1.5 or so is good to me. I would think the braves offer Venters arby. Not sure why you wouldn't.
 
skidlee said:
I wouldn't hate Mike but I want EOF for the run next year. 1 yr 1.5 or so is good to me. I would think the braves offer Venters arby. Not sure why you wouldn't.
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What's Venters cost, around 2 mil?
 
Am I the only one who thinks Terdoslavich has a chance for a bench role next year? Maybe in place of Reed Johnson? (And I say that as a RJ fan.)
 
Fredi loves Terdoslavich. But if we bring back both McCann and Reed Johnson he might have to start the year in AAA. We see every year that the top guys in AAA end up spending a lot of time in the majors. AAA is like a second bench.
 
I've always found it interesting that there are guys that thrive at the AAA level, and yet are never considered for even a backup role in the majors. Guys like Mejia, Gartrell, and Canizares. These are the career AAA stars basically. I just find it intriguing that there is such a thing. It's like Crash Davis winning the all time minor league home run record.
 
Nerfherders said:
I've always found it interesting that there are guys that thrive at the AAA level, and yet are never considered for even a backup role in the majors. Guys like Mejia, Gartrell, and Canizares. These are the career AAA stars basically. I just find it intriguing that there is such a thing. It's like Crash Davis winning the all time minor league home run record.
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AAA and the bigs are still on different planets and the difference usually boils down to raw athletic ability.

Should be an interesting off-season.

I don't see how a team that is supposedly hamstrung financially can afford Reed Johnson at $3 M per season. I like Johnson, but he's a luxury on a tight budget.
 
Oh yeah, how could I forget Mike Hessman? He might actually get the minors home run title! He needs 38 (or 44) home runs to tie Buzz Arlett.
 
What will Schafers cost be next year? Does he get a multi year deal from someone?
 
Nerfherders said:
Oh yeah, how could I forget Mike Hessman? He might actually get the minors home run title! He needs 38 (or 44) home runs to tie Buzz Arlett.
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Like Gartrell, Mejia, Canizares, another big strong guy with a slider-speed bat.

I think one of the fallacies that sprung indirectly from the--and I hesitate to call it this--"Moneyball" movement is that AAA stats are transferable across a broad range of players. I say indirectly, because I believe this sentiment really came from some wayward disciples of the deep stats movement as opposed to the core. I put very little stock in MLEs.

Some guys can play and some guys can't. I agree with Billy Beane when he said there isn't that much of a difference between the top 1/3 of guys in Triple A and the bottom 1/3 of guys in the major leagues. I'd probably whittle that down to 1/4 or 1/5, but I can't see why a guy like Jamey Carroll is earning what he's earning and you can't tell me the Twins wouldn't be better off in the long run suffering through Aaron Hicks' woes than watching Clete Thomas play regularly. But there are certain skills that play well at the margins that put guys like Mejia, Gartrell, and Canizares where they are. The thing that has always surprised me somewhat about Hessman's inability to stay in the big leagues is that he can actually field fairly well (not great, but fairly well). But, getting back to MLEs, if Hessman had come close to his AAA projections, he'd have been the Braves' starting 3B instead of DeRosa in 2004.
 
nsacpi said:
Next year is his first arb season. He'll get around 1.5M. We have him under control through 2016.
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Is the same with Carpenter?

I think he was claimed too.

What's his arb/contract status?

I thought that was the case with Jordan.
 
50PoundHead said:
Like Gartrell, Mejia, Canizares, another big strong guy with a slider-speed bat.

I think one of the fallacies that sprung indirectly from the--and I hesitate to call it this--"Moneyball" movement is that AAA stats are transferable across a broad range of players. I say indirectly, because I believe this sentiment really came from some wayward disciples of the deep stats movement as opposed to the core. I put very little stock in MLEs.

Some guys can play and some guys can't. I agree with Billy Beane when he said there isn't that much of a difference between the top 1/3 of guys in Triple A and the bottom 1/3 of guys in the major leagues. I'd probably whittle that down to 1/4 or 1/5, but I can't see why a guy like Jamey Carroll is earning what he's earning and you can't tell me the Twins wouldn't be better off in the long run suffering through Aaron Hicks' woes than watching Clete Thomas play regularly. But there are certain skills that play well at the margins that put guys like Mejia, Gartrell, and Canizares where they are. The thing that has always surprised me somewhat about Hessman's inability to stay in the big leagues is that he can actually field fairly well (not great, but fairly well). But, getting back to MLEs, if Hessman had come close to his AAA projections, he'd have been the Braves' starting 3B instead of DeRosa in 2004.
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Thing is there are some useful players who languish in AAA a long time. Brooks Conrad (at least his bat as opposed to his glove) was a useful bench player for us for a couple years. Brandon Moss spent a lot of time in AAA and seemed to disappoint whenever he got called up. But the last two years, he's been a solid contributor to a playoff team. The Mets have a kid named Josh Satin (well he's not such a kid at age 28) whose numbers I've been looking at the last couple years and thinking he might be a useful player. He only got the proverbial cup of coffee in the bigs in 2011 and 2012, but this year is finally getting a real opportunity and doing very well with it.
 
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