Mallex Smith promoted to AAA

smootness said:
Yet he had similar on-base skills, much more power, and a consistently higher OPS.
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Similar on base skills is false. Schafers career bestOBP in the minors was .374. Malexs is now over .400 two straight years. I also don't care about power with a lead off guy. I'd rather have my speed guys know they can't hit for power and utilize their strengths. One of schafers biggest problems is he swung for the fence too much instead of using his speed.
 
I thought about Simmons for Donaldson trade with peraza playing short. Would be great. Bu I felt dirty and it won't happen.

I could also see us trading high on jace

I could also see us waiting. Peraza is still really young. Iirc he's 6 feet tall if we wait two years he's still young and he could fill out a lot
 
emk418 said:
Similar on base skills is false. Schafers career bestOBP in the minors was .374. Malexs is now over .400 two straight years. I also don't care about power with a lead off guy. I'd rather have my speed guys know they can't hit for power and utilize their strengths. One of schafers biggest problems is he swung for the fence too much instead of using his speed.
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I said similar on-base skills, not the same OBP. Schafer's BB rate from A-AA was very similar to Smith's. The difference in OBP is driven by the difference in average, which you had already highlighted.

And if you totally discount the power, ok, but it kind of has importance in comparing the two. You can't say Smith is a better hitter than Schafer was if you just completely discount the power Schafer had. Power is still important at any spot in the lineup.

Schafer swinging for the fence could help explain why his BA was lower...but it was worth it in the minors because overall, he was a very, very good hitter.
 
smootness said:
I said similar on-base skills, not the same OBP. Schafer's BB rate from A-AA was very similar to Smith's. The difference in OBP is driven by the difference in average, which you had already highlighted.

And if you totally discount the power, ok, but it kind of has importance in comparing the two. You can't say Smith is a better hitter than Schafer was if you just completely discount the power Schafer had. Power is still important at any spot in the lineup.

Schafer swinging for the fence could help explain why his BA was lower...but it was worth it in the minors because overall, he was a very, very good hitter.
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Schafer was a bust prospect for sure. But he had a real K issue. He was one of the prospects who opened my eyes to the K issue. Sure enough, his K rate was an issue in the majors. Though his lack of power is way more concerning.

And I was trying to think offensively who Mallex Smith reminded me of, and it was Chone Figgins. He walks more and Ks more, but that's about where I see the power level and they're pretty close. I could really more than live with him at that level if his defense is good enough.
 
zitothebrave said:
Schafer was a bust prospect for sure. But he had a real K issue. He was one of the prospects who opened my eyes to the K issue. Sure enough, his K rate was an issue in the majors. Though his lack of power is way more concerning.

And I was trying to think offensively who Mallex Smith reminded me of, and it was Chone Figgins. He walks more and Ks more, but that's about where I see the power level and they're pretty close. I could really more than live with him at that level if his defense is good enough.
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Oh, I know. I wasn't trying to use Schafer for any purpose; but he was a better hitter in the minors than Smith has been, that's not really up for debate.

Figgins is not a bad comparison, and I would certainly take that from Smith. The interesting thing there is, Smith also has better minor league numbers than Figgins did, by quite a bit actually, through AA. And Smith was a year younger than him as well. Figgins took off at 24 similar to the way Lofton did.
 
thethe said:
Kid is real close.

To only spend half a season in AA means the Braves are real high on him.
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I know you're a sunshine guy and I am to for the most part...dude was hitting .340 and I wouldn't say he's close right yet and I'm sure they like him but can't leave a guy in AA with those numbers...natural progression, now the real test is how he does now at AAA...we are about to see what he's about whether good or bad
 
Deester11 said:
I say maximize Peraza's value. Time to fleece, er... Trade for a great asset.
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You know, two weeks ago I caught hell for suggesting this. Undervaluing, hasty...my favorite was "asinine." See below.

My point is that he's our #1 prospect, hyped on all the lists. We've got nowhere to put him as things currently stand. And - is he really all that? Career BA is .302. Hits a homer a year. Walks very little. He runs, but Atlanta as a general statement doesn't run. So what is he?

To us, he's positional flexibility and a backup plan in case the guys who are manning 2B, SS, and CF don't work out. And yeah, if you adjust his hitting for jumping a level, he's about a .620 OPS. Shocking, isn't it? But think about it, and look at his numbers. Doesn't walk, no power....So while he's at the top of all the prospect lists, let's try and get something useful for him.

I look at our bullpen coughing up game after game (which makes me want to puke) and think, hey, maybe that would be a good place to upgrade. And no, I don't mean a bunch of crap, I mean elite relief talent. Hey, a power bat at 3B or the corner OF works, too. Or the Lucroy deal above, since Bethancourt was similarly hyped and didn't know which end of the bat to hold.
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steveAKAslick said:
I know you're a sunshine guy and I am to for the most part...dude was hitting .340 and I wouldn't say he's close right yet and I'm sure they like him but can't leave a guy in AA with those numbers...natural progression, now the real test is how he does now at AAA...we are about to see what he's about whether good or bad
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Many times, the best minor league test is AA. The next test may well be with the big club. Gwinnett is the the natural progression, but if a player blows up in AA you can be assured he's going to get a shot in the bigs very soon.
 
smootness said:
Oh, I know. I wasn't trying to use Schafer for any purpose; but he was a better hitter in the minors than Smith has been, that's not really up for debate.
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Uh, it's not? How so?
Mallex has been improving at each level moving up. Schafer had a career season-long high wRC+ of 130 (at AA). Mallex is beating that by 11 points right now. Mallex is also striking out 8% less than Schafer did at that level that year.
I'm not trying to say Mallex is clearly better than Schafer, but Schafer is certainly not clearly better than Mallex; it is certainly up for debate.
 
yeezus said:
Uh, it's not? How so?
Mallex has been improving at each level moving up. Schafer had a career season-long high wRC+ of 130 (at AA). Mallex is beating that by 11 points right now. Mallex is also striking out 8% less than Schafer did at that level that year.
I'm not trying to say Mallex is clearly better than Schafer, but Schafer is certainly not clearly better than Mallex; it is certainly up for debate.
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And Schafer had that whole business of taking HGH so the power may have been fraudulent.
 
Schafer hit .269/.378/.471 as a 21 year old in the same league that Mallex Smith just wrapped up hitting .340/.418/.413.

Other than those years from each, it's really difficult to compare the two because they played different levels/different leagues and Mallex was able to play in the lower minors in extreme hitters environments.

I think people forget how highly Jordan Schafer was thought of as a 21/22 year old. It's certainly higher than Mallex Smith at the same point.
 
gilesfan said:
Schafer hit .269/.378/.471 as a 21 year old in the same league that Mallex Smith just wrapped up hitting .340/.418/.413.

Other than those years from each, it's really difficult to compare the two because they played different levels/different leagues and Mallex was able to play in the lower minors in extreme hitters environments.

I think people forget how highly Jordan Schafer was thought of as a 21/22 year old. It's certainly higher than Mallex Smith at the same point.
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does extreme hitter environments really matter for the type of hitter Mallex is? It's not like he's going to get cheap HRs.
 
Russ2dollas said:
does extreme hitter environments really matter for the type of hitter Mallex is? It's not like he's going to get cheap HRs.
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Yes, it's not just homers. Some of the parks are like Coors where the OF is large and he can get more doubles/triples. He hit 5 homers, 31 doubles, and 4 triples last year. THis year he has 5 doubles, 2 triples, 2 homers.
 
gilesfan said:
Schafer hit .269/.378/.471 as a 21 year old in the same league that Mallex Smith just wrapped up hitting .340/.418/.413.

Other than those years from each, it's really difficult to compare the two because they played different levels/different leagues and Mallex was able to play in the lower minors in extreme hitters environments.

I think people forget how highly Jordan Schafer was thought of as a 21/22 year old. It's certainly higher than Mallex Smith at the same point.
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Mallex just turned 22 a month ago.
He was more highly thought of, sure. Mallex is going to be on some top 100 lists, so we'll see where he lands on most. But saying Schafer was the better hitter and saying it isn't debatable just isn't correct.
 
thethe said:
And Schafer had that whole business of taking HGH so the power may have been fraudulent.
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and wasn't nearly the threat on the basepaths Mallex is, which is Mallex's strongest suit that isn't showing up in these numbers being posted. Strictly their bats are comparable, and Mallex has that speed (and, as far as we know, DOESN'T have that HGH).
 
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