BA's Midseason Top 50 Prospects

sturg33 said:
Yep - kudos to Wren for giving us talent that few teams can boast right now
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This is assuming he didn't trade one or more of these same players this past winter to fill the holes in the team that were caused by his ineptitude.

And I don't think there is any debate that drafts under Wren were somewhat unspectacular and littered with low upside players.
 
gilesfan said:
more fun because we score 0.4 more runs per game or because we give up 0.6 more runs per game?
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More fun because we still have the same better offense while the pitching has improved over the course of the year. And now when Freddie comes back we ate going to win more than we lose which could not be said of last year's disaster.
 
Carp said:
This is assuming he didn't trade one or more of these same players this past winter to fill the holes in the team that were caused by his ineptitude.

And I don't think there is any debate that drafts under Wren very fairly unspectacular and littered with low upside players
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Wren can do no wrong because he is used as a tool to bring down the current front office.
 
Enscheff said:
Braxton also made the "just missed" section for BP, placing him in the top 60 or so. It's interesting that even with all the pitching added recently, the top three prospects are position players.

I am on board with selling Peraza as a SS that is simply blocked by the best defensive SS in the game. He doesn't walk, at all, and that is a skill that is rarely learned later in the development arc. I say use Peraza and some of the pitching to bring in a bat for LF, 3B and/or C.
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All well and good on Davidson, but I worry that too many are falling in love with his extremely impressive walk rate.
 
The Phillies have recently produced Maikel Franco, who looks like a complete stud IMO, and now have JP Crawford, top 10er, shooting thru their system.
Amaro Jr. is still a terrible GM, partly because their farm system has no depth whatsoever. They have some young guys like Nola, Franco, and Crawford, which looks great, but they are still a total mess.
Wren is a MUCH better GM than RAJ. But you can have a couple of good prospects and still not get the job done on the whole.
 
THis list has Giolito over Urias too, btw. :)

Trea Turner at 9 is way higher than anywhere else I've seen. I hate that the Phils actually have a couple good prospects.

Judge is a bit high for me. I don't see how he sticks in the outfield very long.
 
yeezus said:
The Phillies have recently produced Maikel Franco, who looks like a complete stud IMO, and now have JP Crawford, top 10er, shooting thru their system.

Amaro Jr. is still a terrible GM, partly because their farm system has no depth whatsoever. They have some young guys like Nola, Franco, and Crawford, which looks great, but they are still a total mess.

Wren is a MUCH better GM than RAJ. But you can have a couple of good prospects and still not get the job done on the whole.
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Right but our boy thethe is always telling us that the Braves have a great farm thanks to the rebuild, and is constantly boasting how we "have x players in the top y'

Yet those players we're brought in by Sata, er, I mean Wren
 
sturg33 said:
Right but our boy thethe is always telling us that the Braves have a great farm thanks to the rebuild, and is constantly boasting how we "have x players in the top y'

Yet those players we're brought in by Sata, er, I mean Wren
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My boasting of the top prospects are for those that say we are targetting too much pitching. Please don't warp my arguments.
 
thethe said:
My boasting of the top prospects are for those that say we are targetting too much pitching. Please don't warp my arguments.
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Unfortunately, our composition of position prospects is neither deep nor all that talented. Our top position prospects are Peraza/Albies/Smith/Peterson; which are essentially all the same player and offer little power. The more promising ones (outside of Albies) are Ruiz (struggling in AA) and Davidson (doing ok in A). There are no needle moving position player prospects in the system right now. If you put the Braves position player prospects in a vacuum, there aren't a heck of a lot of teams that would trade their position player prospects for them.
 
gilesfan said:
Unfortunately, our composition of position prospects is neither deep nor all that talented. Our top position prospects are Peraza/Albies/Smith/Peterson; which are essentially all the same player and offer little power. The more promising ones (outside of Albies) are Ruiz (struggling in AA) and Davidson (doing ok in A). There are no needle moving position player prospects in the system right now. If you put the Braves position player prospects in a vacuum, there aren't a heck of a lot of teams that would trade their position player prospects for them.
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D peterson had some power. Esp before the crash. Otherwise I unfortunately agree.
 
We all know Frank Wren would have shipped these prospect off to Seattle by now for a reliever and a starter last year when injury struck.
 
gilesfan said:
Unfortunately, our composition of position prospects is neither deep nor all that talented. Our top position prospects are Peraza/Albies/Smith/Peterson; which are essentially all the same player and offer little power. The more promising ones (outside of Albies) are Ruiz (struggling in AA) and Davidson (doing ok in A). There are no needle moving position player prospects in the system right now. If you put the Braves position player prospects in a vacuum, there aren't a heck of a lot of teams that would trade their position player prospects for them.
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Sure, but our depth of pitching prospects is the envy of most of baseball now. It's pretty rare to be loaded on the farm in both. We're loaded with pitching and decent in position prospects, with two high-end guys grabbed on the international market and plans to go much harder next year.

These things take time. Our farm is infinitely better than it was. Yes, we need a couple if high-end hitting prospects, but most are in worse shape than us, all things considered.

I just don't know why we continue to have these stupid arguments over whether or not we needed to blow it up and rebuild. We made that decision, and given the decision we made, we have done a great job toward that direction. It's over. Fans can continue to be mad about it if they want, but it's only going to make you unhappy. We're in very good shape moving forward.
 
As for Urias vs. Giolito, we'll see what happens. If Urias ends up as the better pitcher, I'll still say I was right about how they should have been ranked as prospects. I'll continue to back Urias.
 
smootness said:
Sure, but our depth of pitching prospects is the envy of most of baseball now. It's pretty rare to be loaded on the farm in both. We're loaded with pitching and decent in position prospects, with two high-end guys grabbed on the international market and plans to go much harder next year.

These things take time. Our farm is infinitely better than it was. Yes, we need a couple if high-end hitting prospects, but most are in worse shape than us, all things considered.

I just don't know why we continue to have these stupid arguments over whether or not we needed to blow it up and rebuild. We made that decision, and given the decision we made, we have done a great job toward that direction. It's over. Fans can continue to be mad about it if they want, but it's only going to make you unhappy. We're in very good shape moving forward.
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Im not sure anyone has recently brought up the decision to rebuild vs. not (I haven't seen it).

Certainly the farm is better than it was, and the depth of the starting pitching staff is greatly improved.
 
gilesfan said:
Im not sure anyone has recently brought up the decision to rebuild vs. not (I haven't seen it).

Certainly the farm is better than it was, and the depth of the starting pitching staff is greatly improved.
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Sturg and zito have taken shots in this thread. And questioning the decision to go heavily on pitching isn't necessarily a disagreement with the rebuild, but it is in some way questioning if the rebuild is really working like it should be. My point is simply that we're only about 8 months into this - we still can't see the FO's whole plan.

I'm fine with stating that we don't have tins of depth or high-end guys on the positional side as simply a statement of fact, but I don't get why that is sometimes used as a criticism of the current FO or their plan. That's my only point.
 
My argument is that you shouldn't half way rebuild or tie an arm behind your back in any way like continuing a faux contend while you rebuild philosophy.

I understand that they said that because they didn't want to lose the fans. Fine.

But, now we are well into the 2015 season. Losing the (non hard core) fans now isn't much of an issue.

Go all in, nobody is off the table (you don't necessarily make every trade but see what your options are). Makes trades to strengthen weaknesses, build controllable depth with an eye on 2017, and mesh the moves with the strengths of the FA market and what you already have in the minors.

Build renewed interest for 2016 by making a splash in the FA market by bringing in some high end pitchers to go with the current and newly acquired youth that you've traded for.

When you move to 2017 the new park will take things to another level.

I know that I'm more militant about this than most. But I like a strategy with no fear based on tactical decisions that meet the reality of the moment as opposed to wishful thinking of what the moment should be. The reality of the moment is that the Braves have no definitive way to improve the offense internally, there are no real internal options to do that anytime soon, and that the FA market is all about pitching.
 
gilesfan said:
Unfortunately, our composition of position prospects is neither deep nor all that talented. Our top position prospects are Peraza/Albies/Smith/Peterson; which are essentially all the same player and offer little power. The more promising ones (outside of Albies) are Ruiz (struggling in AA) and Davidson (doing ok in A). There are no needle moving position player prospects in the system right now. If you put the Braves position player prospects in a vacuum, there aren't a heck of a lot of teams that would trade their position player prospects for them.
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That's a legitimate point. My only disagreement (minor) is that if you are talking about Dustin Peterson, he's a kid who could have 20 HR power. He's not a speed guy like Peraza, Albies, or Smith. If Peterson, Ruiz, and Davidson show they can ramp up their power as they fill out and advance through the minors, they should be at least B-level prospects.

My guess moving forward is that they are going to try and find their offense in Latin America.
 
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