BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Well we certainly have the Sunnis and Israelis concerned... Shia are a happy lot about now.
The Iran Deal
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If Obama punted the issue, he would've just kept the status quo.
Because we've crippled them with economic sanctions, STUXNET, etc.
America built her arsenal in a different kind of world. We've been dismantling it ever since. Whereas Iran signed the NPT to receive concessions and then proceeded to almost immediately break it.
I don't know if they would launch one, but history shows us that radicalism has prevailed in Iran in the past, and their government hasn't restructured -- so why even take the chance?
It's important to keep in the mind that the United States isn't the only country which has pushed for a non-nuclear Iraq. We're talking about the UN Security Council here (and that would include Russia and China). When there's that kind of consensus, you should probably accept that a nuclear Iran is a bad thing.
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Sure. But crippling other sanctions with economic sanctions is how you become responsible for half a million children dying of starvation (Iraq).
It leads to many problems down the road.
We can look in the mirror about why Iran is a problem child now... our intervention a half century ago was the start of it.
We need to stay out of it!
I would be fine with staying out of it if the country wasn't run by radicals. But sadliy, this is not the reality we live in and an unchecked Iran is a dangerous thing for the whole world.
Again....
Hassan Rouhani (President) - Glasgow University (Scotland)
Mohammad Nahavandian (Chief of Staff) - George Washington University
Mohammed Vaezi (Communications) - San Jose State, Sacramento, LSU
Ali Tayebnia (Finance) - London School of Economics
Mohammad Javad Zarif (Foreign Minister) - San Francisco State, University of Denver
Mohammadreza Nematzadeh (Industry Business Minister) - Cal Poly State, UCal Berkeley
Abbas Ahmad Akhoundi (Transportation) - University of London
Ali Akbar Salehi (Atomic Energy) - Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Masoud Nili (Economic Minister) - University of Manchester
Elham Aminzadeh (Vice President Legal Affairs) - University of Glasgow
A lot of Rouhani's cabinet actually studied abroad and lived in a Western country. This isn't a situation where they don't know what our culture is like. Their extremist politics are just that, politics. Coupled in the fact the younger generation is definitely Pro-America, we could feasibly look at Iran as an ally not an enemy in the next 10-20 years.
From PBS:
The president is the second highest ranking official in Iran. While the president has a high public profile, however, his power is in many ways trimmed back by the constitution, which subordinates the entire executive branch to the Supreme Leader. In fact, Iran is the only state in which the executive branch does not control the armed forces.
The president is the second highest ranking official in Iran. While the president has a high public profile, however, his power is in many ways trimmed back by the constitution, which subordinates the entire executive branch to the Supreme Leader. In fact, Iran is the only state in which the executive branch does not control the armed forces.
Further:
According to Iran's Constitution, the Supreme Leader is responsible for the delineation and supervision of "the general policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran," which means that he sets the tone and direction of Iran's domestic and foreign policies. The Supreme Leader also is commander-in-chief of the armed forces and controls the Islamic Republic's intelligence and security operations; he alone can declare war or peace. He has the power to appoint and dismiss the leaders of the judiciary, the state radio and television networks, and the supreme commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. He also appoints six of the twelve members of the Council of Guardians, the powerful body that oversees the activities of Parliament and determines which candidates are qualified to run for public office.
According to Iran's Constitution, the Supreme Leader is responsible for the delineation and supervision of "the general policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran," which means that he sets the tone and direction of Iran's domestic and foreign policies. The Supreme Leader also is commander-in-chief of the armed forces and controls the Islamic Republic's intelligence and security operations; he alone can declare war or peace. He has the power to appoint and dismiss the leaders of the judiciary, the state radio and television networks, and the supreme commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. He also appoints six of the twelve members of the Council of Guardians, the powerful body that oversees the activities of Parliament and determines which candidates are qualified to run for public office.
Well... The President, Chief of Staff, Foreign Minister, Finance, Economic, and now importantly the Atomic Energy...
Sure it's not the Ayotollah, but again... this could spring another revolution from the Iranian youth like we saw a few years ago.
And when that happened the Ayotollah crushed it with ruthless force and quickness.
He is the one that calls the shots and he is radical.
That's fine.
If the Ayotollah decides to clean house because of this deal, the sanctions fall back in place, and the people will hopefully revolt.
Again, the Ayotollah won't be in power forever. They all fall eventually. Saddam, Ghadaffi, even Assad in Syria will fall eventually.
Council of Guardians
Twelve jurists comprise the Council of Guardians, six of whom are appointed by the Supreme Leader. The head of the judiciary recommends the remaining six, which are officially appointed by Parliament.
The Council of Guardians is vested with the authority to interpret the constitution and determines if the laws passed by Parliament are in line with sharia (Islamic law). This means that the council has effective veto power over Parliament. If it deems that a law passed by Parliament is incompatible with the constitution or sharia, it is referred back to Parliament for revision.
Twelve jurists comprise the Council of Guardians, six of whom are appointed by the Supreme Leader. The head of the judiciary recommends the remaining six, which are officially appointed by Parliament.
The Council of Guardians is vested with the authority to interpret the constitution and determines if the laws passed by Parliament are in line with sharia (Islamic law). This means that the council has effective veto power over Parliament. If it deems that a law passed by Parliament is incompatible with the constitution or sharia, it is referred back to Parliament for revision.
And another Ayotollah will be put in place that is just as radical.
I'm sorry SAV, for anyone to even suggest that Iran is not radical is silly.
This isn't North Korea, where their people are completely banned from information outside of the state.
The Iranian people for the most part like America and Americans. Should the Ayotollah, decide to clean house and crush this deal, the people will revolt again like they did a few years ago. If the people get a sniff of what it's like to not have the economic sanctions, they'll want to keep it.
Iran is losing all of their best engineers and minds to Western countries because of the economic sanctions. There's just no chance for growth.
If it was easy to revolt it would have been done before. The Western World really missed a golden opportunity during the Arab Spring.
I would expect that if house was cleaned that they would crack down on any reovlting with the extreme quickness and force. Unless the West wants to intervene the Ayotollah will win.
You're playing devil's advocate just to do so.
If anyone here thinks Obama and his team have not considered the ramifications in the short term and long term for this deal, well we should all hire you to be on his cabinet.
The same crowd that wanted us to use military force to fight Russia in Ukraine, is the same crowd that said the economic sanctions on Russia would do little. Now their economy is in freefall, the Ruble is worth .018 American, etc.
The 2009 protests lasted 7 months. That was BEFORE the arab spring began.
Of course our government has considered all factors. However, when you are dealing with lunatics logic doesn't always hold up. I just find it hard to believe that Irans government (Ayotollah) can be trusted in the short or long term.