The Iran Deal

weso1 said:
If you vote for the guy who you legitimately believe has a chance to win and is realistically close to your philosophy then I will respect you. Don't vote for Romney... I get it. Don't vote for McCain or Gdub? I get it. Don't vote for Rand Paul? I don't know. I just think you're in it purely to mock.
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Rand Paul is a neocon
 
When people actually get to see the real Intel its clear that direct action must be taken. Only fools think we can ignore this enemy on a military basis.
 
thethe said:
When people actually get to see the real Intel its clear that direct action must be taken. Only fools think we can ignore this enemy on a military basis.
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The fbi director said this yesterday:

Comey said Wednesday SIS has become a bigger threat to the United States than al Qaeda.

"The threat that ISIL presents and poses to the United States is very different in kind, in type and degree than al Qaeda," Comey said. "ISIL is not your parents al Qaeda. It's a very different model. And by virtue of that model, it's currently the threat we are worried about in the homeland most of all."
 
Krgrecw said:
The fbi director said this yesterday:
Comey said Wednesday SIS has become a bigger threat to the United States than al Qaeda.

"The threat that ISIL presents and poses to the United States is very different in kind, in type and degree than al Qaeda," Comey said. "ISIL is not your parents al Qaeda. It's a very different model. And by virtue of that model, it's currently the threat we are worried about in the homeland most of all."
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Damn - so this American created organization has become more dangerous than the last American created organization.

I suspect we will need to create a new one that's even more powerful to handle this situation
 
Krgrecw said:
The fbi director said this yesterday:
Comey said Wednesday SIS has become a bigger threat to the United States than al Qaeda.

"The threat that ISIL presents and poses to the United States is very different in kind, in type and degree than al Qaeda," Comey said. "ISIL is not your parents al Qaeda. It's a very different model. And by virtue of that model, it's currently the threat we are worried about in the homeland most of all."
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I'm not surprised.
 
Krgrecw said:
But Maybe the whole world is wrong about Isis and zito is correct that ISIS is a small group and can easily be dismantled?
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I know it's shocking for people who stand to profit from perpetual war would drum up the fear propaganda... Look how well it works.

Between ISIS and Iran, I'm really not sure if I'm going to make it to tomorrow
 
sturg33 said:
I know it's shocking for people who stand to profit from perpetual war would drum up the fear propaganda... Look how well it works.

Between ISIS and Iran, I'm really not sure if I'm going to make it to tomorrow[/QUOTE

Do you think Neville Chamberlain did the right thing for the UK when he made Peace with hitler? Was he morally obligated to give hitler a benefit of the doubt and not send his countrymen to war or was his first responsibility to protect his people and he made a mistake with hitler?
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Krgrecw said:
sturg33 said:
I know it's shocking for people who stand to profit from perpetual war would drum up the fear propaganda... Look how well it works.

Between ISIS and Iran, I'm really not sure if I'm going to make it to tomorrow[/QUOTE

Do you think Neville Chamberlain did the right thing for the UK when he made Peace with hitler? Was he morally obligated to give hitler a benefit of the doubt and not send his countrymen to war or was his first responsibility to protect his people and he made a mistake with hitler?
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It is the responsibility of our government to protect this country.

They clearly are not doing that very well... Almost every foreign policy decision seems to blow up in our faces (see ISIS)
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It is the responsibility of our government to protect this country.

They clearly are not doing that very well... Almost every foreign policy decision seems to blow up in our faces (see ISIS)[/QUOTE]

Yes. So couldn't I argue that the best way for a gov't to protect his people is to take out the enemy?

How do your foreign policy beliefs protect our country?
 
Krgrecw said:
It is the responsibility of our government to protect this country.

They clearly are not doing that very well... Almost every foreign policy decision seems to blow up in our faces (see ISIS)
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Yes. So couldn't I argue that the best way for a gov't to protect his people is to take out the enemy?

How do your foreign policy beliefs protect our country?[/QUOTE]

The bad men will stop being radical if we leave them alone.
 
I think it'd be better if our foreign policy decisions didn't create the enemies?

How would my foreign policy protect this country? Well, I'd stop funding radical islams and state sponsors of terror. I'd stop taking out leaders for radical islams to fill the void. I'd stop bombing and occupying land that incentives blowback. I'd get our military out of 130 countries and have them protecting our boarders in the US. I'd stop bankrupting the country with unnecessary defense spending.

That's the summary
 
Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) slammed U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Thursday, comparing him to Pontius Pilate, the judge who is said to have ordered the crucifixion of Jesus.

Cotton made the comparison over "side" deals between Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency. U.S. National Security Advisor Susan Rice acknowledged the so-called agreements, which accompanied the Iran nuclear deal, on Wednesday.
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Death Panels Revisited.

We should have a rule that any elected official using over the top language,comparisons should immediately be ejected .. or be subjected to a dunking booth
 
sturg33 said:
I think it'd be better if our foreign policy decisions didn't create the enemies?

How would my foreign policy protect this country? Well, I'd stop funding radical islams and state sponsors of terror. I'd stop taking out leaders for radical islams to fill the void. I'd stop bombing and occupying land that incentives blowback. I'd get our military out of 130 countries and have them protecting our boarders in the US. I'd stop bankrupting the country with unnecessary defense spending.

That's the summary
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Would you agree that would accompany a sensible energy policy where our dependence on fossil fuels is all but eliminated.
Or do we continue to protect the oil industry?
 
sturg33 said:
I think it'd be better if our foreign policy decisions didn't create the enemies?

How would my foreign policy protect this country? Well, I'd stop funding radical islams and state sponsors of terror. I'd stop taking out leaders for radical islams to fill the void. I'd stop bombing and occupying land that incentives blowback. I'd get our military out of 130 countries and have them protecting our boarders in the US. I'd stop bankrupting the country with unnecessary defense spending.

That's the summary
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I get that you wouldn't do anything that's been done the past ~20 years. That's all that you have repeated over and over for the past 5 pages.

The question is: What would YOU do (aside from cherry-picking, exaggerating, oversimplifying up the negatives [for example, if we have to hear the hollow, idiotacular comment that the United States 'created' ISIL one more time I'm going to puke]) ... ?

What would you have done after 9/11? Built fences around the country?

What would you do when our chief oil supplier (and ally) asked for assistance? Let them borrow a missile?

What is your solution to nation-building? FedEx over the Ross Perot tapes?
 
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