Possible future trade targets..

If they'd eat some of the money, i'd trade for Ryan Braun.

Not against Carlos Gomez either, yes i know he's a dick, but he can flat out play.

Really not a ton of options, Lucroy is great, but we'd have to extent him or the trade wouldnt look so good.

Not a trade target but if our pick becomes protected, i'd make a run at Matt Wieters given it's unlikely we'll get Justin, Jason or Ces.
 
Catcher: If the Yankees want to go after Matt Wieters (as it has been rumored) then I'd make a strong play for McCann. Would guess that if the Braves agreed to eat all of his remaining salary he could practically be had for free, but I prefer to remain as lean as possible so I'd toss them a prospect or two for ~$10-$20MM in salary relief. Otherwise, I'm content to go another season with Bethancourt/Veteran Catcher (Navarro/Avila).

3B: Rio Ruiz is 0 for his last 23 with 9K ... .212 /.323/.266 on the season. It's nasty. I think there's major reason for concern with his performance this year. Could see the Braves bringing back Uribe or signing a guy like David Freese. Long term I think they trade for another Ruiz like high-ceiling option because there doesn't appear to be much available otherwise.

OF: If they are going to sell on Maybin, I think now's the best time (career year). The Braves have some intriguing in-house options as both short/long term replacement options.
 
nsacpi said:
It would be similar to the situation with Uggla. The trade filled a need and carried limited risk. But it was the extension that was very risky in light of the aging curve for players with certain characteristics. In those kinds of situations I don't mind just having the player for a year or two and letting them hit free agency. And possibly pocketing a draft pick in the process.
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Except that the Braves gave up next to nothing of real value for Uggla. A utility infielder and a decent relief prospect.

Lucroy (by all reports) would require a significantly more talented haul. It's not a risk that the Braves should take, unless Milwaukee would accept a package built around Bethancourt and one of the C-tier arms (Banuelos/Folty).
 
Hawk said:
Except that the Braves gave up next to nothing of real value for Uggla. A utility infielder and a decent relief prospect.

Lucroy (by all reports) would require a significantly more talented haul. It's not a risk that the Braves should take, unless Milwaukee would accept a package built around Bethancourt and one of the C-tier arms (Banuelos/Folty).
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There are some differences. Lucroy's contract during 2016 and 2017 is exceptionally good value. Lucroy would be under contractual control for 2 years rather than 1 as was the case with Uggla. We should therefore expect him to cost a lot more than Uggla to acquire.
 
nsacpi said:
There are some differences. Lucroy's contract during 2016 and 2017 is exceptionally good value. Lucroy would be under contractual control for 2 years rather than 1 as was the case with Uggla. We should therefore expect him to cost a lot more than Uggla to acquire.
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You also have to account for the likelihood that the Braves are only competitive in the second of those two seasons. That clamps down on the immediate value.

And then there's the premature weakening of the farm.

No doubting that Lucroy is worth it -- but is he worth it to the Braves as they are currently comprised?

Now if the Braves move toward contention in 2016 (signing a Price, trading for/signing an impact bat) then I could see Lucroy making sense. Otherwise I see a lot of negative risk.
 
How good is a guy like Susac?

I've seen alot of people want him in trades.

Could he be a long-term solution at catcher.

Regarding Lucroy, i kinda agree with Hawk, unless they make alot of moves to contend in 16.

Sign an ace, sign an impact bat, some bullpen arms, etc, im not sure it makes sense if they just keep him for 2 years.
 
nsacpi said:
Here is how I would plan out the outfield for 2016:

Start the season with: Zobrist in left, Maybin in center, Markakis in right; Gomes, KJ (sign him in the off-season) & Perez major league backups; Smith & Toscano start the year in AAA.

At some point in 2016 (in season or after the season) trade Maybin and promote Smith once he proves himself against AAA pitching. I would try to package Maybin with other assets (such as Peterson or Peraza, and maybe a pitcher) to get the best bat I could get (someone who can play third or corner outfield).
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Zobrist reminds me too much of Uggla. Would be a bad move I think.
 
Hawk said:
You also have to account for the likelihood that the Braves are only competitive in the second of those two seasons. That clamps down on the immediate value.

And then there's the premature weakening of the farm.

No doubting that Lucroy is worth it -- but is he worth it to the Braves as they are currently comprised?

Now if the Braves move toward contention in 2016 (signing a Price, trading for/signing an impact bat) then I could see Lucroy making sense. Otherwise I see a lot of negative risk.
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There's no guarantee we can't compete next year. If we upgrade LF, C, and 3rd and sign an ace, we easily compete in 2016
 
Hawk said:
You also have to account for the likelihood that the Braves are only competitive in the second of those two seasons. That clamps down on the immediate value.

And then there's the premature weakening of the farm.

No doubting that Lucroy is worth it -- but is he worth it to the Braves as they are currently comprised?

Now if the Braves move toward contention in 2016 (signing a Price, trading for/signing an impact bat) then I could see Lucroy making sense. Otherwise I see a lot of negative risk.
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I hope the front office won't be overly rigid about 2017 being the target year. There is a lot of randomness that affects a team's fortunes from year to year. We have already squandered one season of Freeman's and Simmons' prime years along with everyone else on this year's team.
 
zbhargrove said:
Zobrist reminds me too much of Uggla. Would be a bad move I think.
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I like him as a buy low candidate. Plus at his age, we could possibly get him on two year plus an option. I wouldn't guarantee three years or more. If that is what it takes, let someone else have him.

I like his versatility. And he's been a very productive player. By all accounts, he's also a good leader and very positive clubhouse presence. Which we will need more of if AJ leaves.
 
Hawk said:
Catcher: If the Yankees want to go after Matt Wieters (as it has been rumored) then I'd make a strong play for McCann. Would guess that if the Braves agreed to eat all of his remaining salary he could practically be had for free, but I prefer to remain as lean as possible so I'd toss them a prospect or two for ~$10-$20MM in salary relief. Otherwise, I'm content to go another season with Bethancourt/Veteran Catcher (Navarro/Avila).

3B: Rio Ruiz is 0 for his last 23 with 9K ... .212 /.323/.266 on the season. It's nasty. I think there's major reason for concern with his performance this year. Could see the Braves bringing back Uribe or signing a guy like David Freese. Long term I think they trade for another Ruiz like high-ceiling option because there doesn't appear to be much available otherwise.

OF: If they are going to sell on Maybin, I think now's the best time (career year). The Braves have some intriguing in-house options as both short/long term replacement options.
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I've been on board to McCann train for awhile. But I doubt the Yankees move him for nothing. He's having a good year and leading all catchers in homers. If they have to eat any of the contract, then I imagine it will take more than a couple relief pitcher/back of the rotation type of pitchers to acquire him. But still, Mac should be plan A for acquiring a catcher, imo.
 
Tapate50 said:
I don't think management intends to honestly.
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I think quite the opposite. Management has quickly built up the farm and freed themselves of a lot of financial dead weight in just a manner of months. While 2017 is the goal to be a playoff caliber team, I think they want to start bringing in major league talent before then. The Pads are prime example of how not to build a playoff contender. Putting together a playoff caliber team won't be done all in the 2016-2017 offseason alone. They'll bring in major pieces this winter, imo, and it won't be just prospects.
 
Carp said:
I've been on board to McCann train for awhile. But I doubt the Yankees move him for nothing. He's having a good year and leading all catchers in homers. If they have to eat any of the contract, then I imagine it will take more than a couple relief pitcher/back of the rotation type of pitchers to acquire him. But still, Mac should be plan A for acquiring a catcher, imo.
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My comments were predicated on a situation where the Yankees acquired Wieters. Otherwise, I don't see why they would trade him.
 
Hawk said:
My comments were predicated on a situation where the Yankees acquired Wieters. Otherwise, I don't see why they would trade him.
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That's a long of longest shots IMO, and we should be trying to get younger, not older. I don't think NY would look at Wieters as an upgrade either?
 
Hawk said:
My comments were predicated on a situation where the Yankees acquired Wieters. Otherwise, I don't see why they would trade him.
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Yes I know. But I still don't see them just giving Mac away, even if they do acquire Wieters. There will be a market for Mac.
 
Carp said:
I think quite the opposite. Management has quickly built up the farm and freed themselves of a lot of financial dead weight in just a manner of months. While 2017 is the goal to be a playoff caliber team, I think they want to start bringing in major league talent before then. The Pads are prime example of how not to build a playoff contender. Putting together a playoff caliber team won't be done all in the 2016-2017 offseason alone. They'll bring in major pieces this winter, imo, and it won't be just prospects.
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None of that equals contender. We have major holes without the hint of an answer.

No rush IMO. If the plan was 2017, eye on the Prize Braves brass.

Just keep turning assets. I don't think the answers we need are in FA, so we need pieces to trade and still keep the farm stocked up.
 
Tapate50 said:
That's a long of longest shots IMO, and we should be trying to get younger, not older. I don't think NY would look at Wieters as an upgrade either?
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It's just speculation really, but it's pretty well known that the Yanks have coveted Wieters for awhile now.
 
Tapate50 said:
That's a long of longest shots IMO, and we should be trying to get younger, not older. I don't think NY would look at Wieters as an upgrade either?
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Well, I don't see how the core of the team gets any younger.

The Braves could very well make a play for Wieters themselves. I think he's an upgrade from McCann in that he's younger, primarily, but also much better defensively.

You just don't really want to be paying a catcher $17-20MM into their mid/late 30s in the National League especially when you have a 1B locked up for a half-decade.
 
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