50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I get the same vibe off Tulowitzki that I got off Cal Ripken. He's going to lobby to stay at SS whether it's in the best interest of the team or not.
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I get the same vibe off Tulowitzki that I got off Cal Ripken. He's going to lobby to stay at SS whether it's in the best interest of the team or not.
They are positioned well if they make smart moves. Werth is a drain on the books for the next 2 years and Zimmerman isn't a good option at first base. They are going to have to transition into a younger team next year replacing Span and Desmond with Turner and Taylor. What they do with Jordan Zimmermann will be the big question mark.
Ramos
Zimmermann
Escobar/Espinosa
Turner
Rendon
Harper
Taylor
Werth
Scherzer
Strasburg
Gonzalez
Giolito (probably June), Ross, Roark, Lopez, Cole, (probably a vet FA)
Outside of trading Turner and Giolito, I think they are positioned well for the next handful of years.
Burnedstang
High School Draftee
I definitely agree. Tulo might be fine at SS for the next 3-4 yrs, but i do think at some point he will need to slide over to 3B. He has his money, at that point, it should be about whats best for the team. But like you said, i dont see him doing it.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
That's the rhetoric, not the reality.
AJ
Burnedstang
High School Draftee
I'm almost certain the Braves front office is not bold enough to go get someone like Puig or Carlos Gomez. Its certainly a pipe dream. I think at some point we will trade for a quality hitter, but its doubtful its Puig or someone with a big personality.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
That approach worked wonders in Arizona.
Taylor and Turner are solid talents, but expecting them to slot in as ready replacements for Span/Desmond is a bit of a stretch.
Rendon/Harper is a solid core, but there are a lot of iffy bits (Zim, Werth, Ramos, Escobar, Espinosa) betwixt.
Scherzer is what he is, but then you've got Strasburg, his health, and impending FA in 2017.
Gonzalez is basically a 3 on a good day anymore.
Giolito looks like a phenom, but is still a wild card.
Other arms are nifty, but no apparent game changers.
I'm with dak, 2015 is a key year for WAS. It bodes well for Atlanta if Rizzo coughs up a couple of top prospects for a Chapman (or even a Kimbrel, given the strain it would ultimately put on a payroll which will need to add in 2016 and 2017).
Not a chance IMO. If Donnie Baseball, Adrian Gonzalez, and Jimmy Rollins haven't gotten him to clean his act up, there's no chance he gets better here. I've personally got no interest in Puig - a personality flameout with another organization makes him awfully tough to move when he ruins your clubhouse (like Hanley Ramirez).
Not sure I understand why anyone here is interested in CarGo either - he'll be a free-agent when the new park opens. Why would you give anything of value up for him NOW?
sturg33
I
Well you wanted to give up Alex Wood - our best pitcher, for someone who is a FA after 2015.
I agree -- I would take Puig if LAD was desperate to move him, but he's a potential franchise talent at a cheap cost and I see no reason why LAD wouldn't ask for the moon.
RE: CarGo -- Beats the alternatives. I'd rather give up a couple of nothing prospects and take on his ~$40MM than spend $150MM+ on a Cespedes or some hodgepodge of veterans.
Braves also didn't shy away from guys like Crackiniti/Sheffield/Fick/Farnsworth/Soriano back in the glory days.
Tapate50
Well-known member
On Cargo :Not sure it would take all that much honestly if you would just pay up. I think I'm warmin to that idea. It's a short term deal which is just what we should be in the market for...
Tapate50
Well-known member
Not sure Reyes and his salary are worth all that much. He was making the same as Tulo, just producing less and playing worse defense.
This year they are making the same, sure, but Reyes only has around $45MM left on his deal (if you count in a $4MM buyout in 2018) whereas Tulo is owed $100MM.
I could see a team like NYY biting (like they did with Alfonso Soriano a few years ago) thinking that a Reyes addition would put them over the top and then slotting him in at 2B. He's still a dynamic talent.
They have gotten pretty much nothing from Span and Desmond this year so based on a straight comparison of 2015 to 2016, they will almost certainly provide a higher WAR. Comparing to 2014, they would need to provide 8 wins, which isn't happening. Taylor is on base for about 3 wins this year, which is probably about right with his defense in center field. Turner will provide speed and play solid defense, can't imagine him being under a 2 win player.
They got 25 WAR combined from everyday players in 2014 and 23.2 in 2013. So, with starters, they are probably shooting for 23-25.
Harper- 7 (?)
Rendon 4.5
Escobar/Espinosa/Turner- 5
Taylor 3
Ramos 1.5
That leaves about 2-6 or so to get from Werth/Zimmerman. I think they will be fine position player wise. Catcher being the biggest weakness, but just about every team is struggling at catcher. Werth/Zim will be injury concerns going forward, Im sure.
I'm not a big fan of Gio, but somehow he seems to put a mid 3 ERA up, which is fine for a number 3, which is what he will likely be.
Lopez is a potential game changer, but is far away. Joe Ross is putting together a handful of interesting starts and appears to be making a case for the rotation. I can't believe they got Ross and Turner for Souza.
As I mentioned earlier, they have 40 million coming off the books to upgrade at certain spots. Maybe another starting pitcher; maybe a catcher.
Right now they are on a 87 win pace while getting nothing from Rendon, Zimmermann, Fister, Werth, Strasburg.
Projecting to next year, they potentially lose:
Span- 1.4
Desmond -(0.2)
Zimmermann- 2.5
Fister 0.2
Total- 3.9 war (compared to this year so far)
Would be even sweeter if we could convince them to take Chris Johnson, although Colorado really has no need for him (even at 1B with Paulson/Morneau looking like an adequate tandem).
Burnedstang
High School Draftee
Speaking of Chris Johnson, is there a legitimate chance he actually gets traded? even if it is for a bag of baseballs and a rosin bag? havent heard much about him lately