Well, we'll just have to wait and see, I guess. Considering we got 2 on just about every top 50 list and have far more candidates for the back end of the top 100, I think you're going to be pretty wrong. I think we'll have at least 3 on all of them, and I think you'll find one or two that have as many as 6.
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Well, we'll just have to wait and see, I guess. Considering we got 2 on just about every top 50 list and have far more candidates for the back end of the top 100, I think you're going to be pretty wrong. I think we'll have at least 3 on all of them, and I think you'll find one or two that have as many as 6.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I think I get what you are saying and if so I agree to an extent. I think the rebuild hasn't gone nearly far enough at this point. The "deep" farm system is a matter of relativity. Compared to this time last year, it is now deep. Compared to the farm in 1991, the last time the Braves made a conscious effort to rebuild, it is not.
In 1990-1991 when the Braves were gearing up for their historic run, they had a huge number of prospects of both quantity and quality and they weren't shy about trading away ML assets like Zane Smith either. Some of the prospects the Braves had coming through the minors was: Glavine, Smoltz (Doyle Alexander trade), Avery, Pete Smith, Mercker, Tommy Greene, Wohlers, Lilliquist, Clary, Marak, Stanton, Blauser, Klesko, Lemke, Lopez, Hunter, Mitchell, Chipper, etc. etc.
But, they didn't acquire all those guys in one year. It was a process over several years often with the advantage of picking early and often because the ML team was so bad. Some made it. Some didn't. Some were traded and shouldn't have been. Some were NOT traded and should have been (Dale Murphy was eventually traded but essentially given away because his value had diminished while he was the one and only face of the franchise putting those 5,000 butts in the stands every night). At one point Murphy could have, and would have, brought Barry Bonds to Atlanta.
My point is, the late 80's/early 90's plan followed the script no matter how painful it was to do so. Could it have been better? Absolutely. The sentimentality and wrong headed thinking with Murphy not only cost his value but also cost the Braves Tommy Greene who would go on to be a reasonably successful starter for Philly for essentially the return of a hand full of magic beans. But, for the most part it worked.
Do the current PTB have the will and foresight to see it through?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I don't mean to be overly negative on the farm system. I like this year's draft. I like the group of international signees in the GCL and DSL. I'm more positive on the holdovers from the ancien regime than most.
But with the exception of Wisler I'm less positive than most on the ultimate major league impact of the prospects Hart traded for.
But with the exception of Wisler I'm less positive than most on the ultimate major league impact of the prospects Hart traded for.
Tapate50
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I think they were referring to taking on a large sunk contract and basically buying another teams top prospect.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
If he doesn't make it the reason will be so many other Braves prospects crowded him off the list.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Coppy is quoted saying we'll have some stupid number of starters competing for jobs.
I think/hope/wish that is posturing. I think we'll make at least 1 splash trade this offseason.
We have a lot of guys who could be top 100 guys. Not a lot of star potential guys that are a year or two away. Not a lot of position prospects. And the position prospects we have seem to be defense and contact guys and or really far away.
I think/hope/wish that is posturing. I think we'll make at least 1 splash trade this offseason.
We have a lot of guys who could be top 100 guys. Not a lot of star potential guys that are a year or two away. Not a lot of position prospects. And the position prospects we have seem to be defense and contact guys and or really far away.
That's fine. In my opinion, Wisler, Fried, Folty, Jenkins, and Toussaint are all potential impact major league arms, and Banuelos has a shot, too.
I think reducing that group to a middling group is a bit overboard.
He could possibly miss out due to his bad strikeout/walk numbers in AA and AAA. And like someone else said, could be a different Braves prospect that knocks him off.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
When I look at the walk and strikeout rates of these guys I don't see anything that screams elite prospect:
Jenkins 5.7 & 4.0 in AA, 4.7 & 2.9 in AAA
Folty 10.0 (this number I do like!) & 4.3 in AAA
Toussaint 6.7 & 3.5 in the Midwest League and 7.9 and 6.0 with Rome
Banuelos 7.5 and 4.1
Now I know they all are works in progress and in some cases may not be working with their full repetoire of pitches.
But I contrast that with two pitchers in our system I do like:
Wisler 6.8% and 2.0% in AAA
Williams Perez 8.4% and 2.3% in AAA
Those two have strikeout to walk ratios over 3. Most of the others less than 2. That's a big difference.
Tapate50
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Fried?
No, none are elite prospects, and only Touki and possibly Fried have a chance to ever get there. But as you said, they're all works in progress, which is why we were able to get them to begin with.
Out of that group, I would be surprised if at least 2 are not good major league starting pitchers down the line.
Out of that group, I would be surprised if at least 2 are not good major league starting pitchers down the line.
rico43
<B>Director of Minor League Reports</B>
The guys everyone is forgetting (or haven't heard about) are the two DSL outfielders:
Randy Ventura, a switch-hitter who had a 24-game hitting streak in his first month-plus as a pro, is still hitting .336 with 39 stolen bases in 37 games and 15 outfield assists. Not much power, but that's the last thing to come when you've just turned 18 and are 5-9, 165. FYI: Has six stolen bases in one game.
Rayshendall Michel, who doesn't turn 18 until September, is a R/R, 5-10, 170 Curacao product. He did not make his pro debut until June 17, but hit safely in his first 14 pro games. He's at .307 currently with 25 RBI and seven SB in 34 games. He's also got a few OF assists.
Randy Ventura, a switch-hitter who had a 24-game hitting streak in his first month-plus as a pro, is still hitting .336 with 39 stolen bases in 37 games and 15 outfield assists. Not much power, but that's the last thing to come when you've just turned 18 and are 5-9, 165. FYI: Has six stolen bases in one game.
Rayshendall Michel, who doesn't turn 18 until September, is a R/R, 5-10, 170 Curacao product. He did not make his pro debut until June 17, but hit safely in his first 14 pro games. He's at .307 currently with 25 RBI and seven SB in 34 games. He's also got a few OF assists.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Ventura seems to be some sort of freak. Tremendous walk rate as well. Could be a hell of a leadoff hitter. But the DSL is out there in Pluto land or the asteroid belt beyond Pluto.
I think we novices confuse real scouting and scouting the statlines.
I don't think it made any sense to bid for Lester since we didn't plan on competing until the middle of his potential contract.
With that being said, I'd still wanna bid on Price.
With that being said, I'd still wanna bid on Price.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I know. Those clips of Jenkins' curve are pretty devastating. Almost as impressive as Touki's curve. Which in turn is almost as impressive as Allard's curve.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
They are so far away I can't even think about it.....in a league that is distant. 18 y/o. I can't even focus on guys until they are at least in high A.
You think Allard has a better curve than Touki? I haven't seen Kolby's.
Tapate50
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I saw some video in the draft thread and OMAGAWD