yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Peripherals and overall numbers support that they've all been better than Wood, so I don't understand how they could have Wood higher. FG has them all as much better, as the raw numbers and peripherals would suggest.
Farewell to Wood, Peraza, Jimmy Johns, and Avilans.
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Peripherals and overall numbers support that they've all been better than Wood, so I don't understand how they could have Wood higher. FG has them all as much better, as the raw numbers and peripherals would suggest.
sturg33
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There is almost zero chance that it ends up smelling like Roses unless Olivera drinks jesus juice and is a great hitter for 6 years. I made a little graph on how baseball players age: The first arrow (good); the second arrow (bad)
What is the vertical axis? WAR? (would seem to high to be WAR)
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Because he isn't their only player, they wouldn't have won solely because of him. We "won" that deal, too, then.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
I was definitely one of the people you were speaking about with my view on Wood... so...
good to know that you know who I was talking about.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Since we are punting this year, does what Miller did this year get discounted?
I thought the reasoning for trading Upton and Heyward is that they would be gone after 2015 and we didn't think we would have a competitive team this year. So anything they produced this year would be less valuable to us than it would be for a contending team.
In contrast, the Cardinals and the Padres thought 2015 would be a meaningful year for them (mistakenly in the case of the Padres), so they were happy to take on some one-year rentals.
I think in years where you don't intend to field a competitive team, valuation of player performance has to be discounted to a certain extent. Goes for all our players, including Freeman, Simmons, Markakis, Miller.
I thought the reasoning for trading Upton and Heyward is that they would be gone after 2015 and we didn't think we would have a competitive team this year. So anything they produced this year would be less valuable to us than it would be for a contending team.
In contrast, the Cardinals and the Padres thought 2015 would be a meaningful year for them (mistakenly in the case of the Padres), so they were happy to take on some one-year rentals.
I think in years where you don't intend to field a competitive team, valuation of player performance has to be discounted to a certain extent. Goes for all our players, including Freeman, Simmons, Markakis, Miller.
sturg33
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The contention was with thethe saying "it smells like roses"
While it looks like a pretty good deal for us, we gave up a really good player who we basically forfeited our chance to sign long term to make it. And, as thethe reminds us, Shelby could have TJ surgery tomorrow
sturg33
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Exactly. Miller can be awesome... but our team sucks so it does nothing for us
zbhargrove
Well-known member
We didn't win with Heyward either... and he'd be gone next year... We have Miller for a long time. You say we forfeited signing Heyward to a long term deal, but we will go back to the song and dance if we have to... you have no idea if we offered him a deal... and based on his performance, he didn't deserve the money he was rumored to be seeking... not anywhere close to it.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
Yes, but Miller's performance this season also discounts what Heyward would have provided had we chosen to be truly competitive and kept him. So it's a two way street.
sturg33
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I beg to differ
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
OK I'm back on board with fire Jon Hart. This move makes 0 sense in a rebuild. Trading young controllable players for an older guy who hasn't played in the bigs and may need Tommy John? Add that neither Bird or Rodriguez is that intriguing. Just a ****ty trade. Olivera better win a damned MVP
zbhargrove
Well-known member
Yah... last year was super awesome!!
sturg33
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Well when you have BJ Upton, Dan Uggla, and Chris Johnson taking a third of your at bats, you're gonna struggle. But let's blame Heyward!
And let's discount the fact that the Braves won more games than ANY TEAM IN BASEBALL from 2010 - 2014 (Heyward's 5 years with the team)
zbhargrove
Well-known member
It baffles me how some people have such a hard time letting go and moving on...
The Braves overall record with Heyward is better than it is with Miller. Therefore, Heyward > Miller.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
So lets give Heyward the credit for all those wins from 2010-2014?... lets not talk about having McCann in his prime or still having a productive Chipper through some of that time? Let's ignore than Heyward was awful at the plate for his last 2 years as a Brave?
striker42
Well-known member
Not sure. Either way Wood has been solid this year. He's not an ace but he's probably a number 2 starter.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
I really hope that is a troll response because it is the new dumbest thing I've ever read.