Farewell to Wood, Peraza, Jimmy Johns, and Avilans.

gilesfan said:
I disagree with you. At the end of the day they are just prospects. Just 1 example, obviously (there are plenty others) but the trade of Sebathia for Laporta, Brantley, Jackson, and Bryson. Brantley is a solid player (1 crazy flue season out of nowhere), but if you told me I get an ace for the playoff drive for a 2.5 win player for 6 seasons, I take that anyday. I'm not saying I'd trade a top 20 prospect for a rental, but I wouldn't hesitate to trade a lower 50 prospect with a lack of huge upside like Peraza/etc.
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You're proving my point. The Brewers got Sabathia, great. He was phenomenal for them and they reached the NLDS. They then lost that in 4 games, in part because Sabathia gave up 5 runs in 3.2 IP.

For that, they gave up a haul that didn't even turn out that well. LaPorta did nothing. But even still, all they needed was one guy to hit, and for the last 4 years, Brantley has given them 15 WAR for a total cost of less than $8.5 million, and this year is only ⅔ over. He will end up over 3 WAR for the third time in that span.

I would do that deal all day every day from the Indians' perspective. Once you get into the playoffs and it's a game-by-game scenario, it's a crapshoot and no single player means all that much. Price has a small chance of getting hurt but an even bigger chance of not being much better than anybody else, as his playoff ERA of 4.5 suggests.

Those moves to add big names don't do much to increase your chances. Having even just Brantley has a bigger impact on your future chances to make the playoffs and throw yourself into that crapshoot.
 
Sounds like there was some tinkering going on all day to make the deal happen....

Must be the guys upstairs asking how to handle the backlash....either way we got royally screwed on this deal....sideways
 
Jeff Passan
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Source: Dodgers receive Bronson Arroyo for Braves in the three-way trade.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Every deal that has gone on for even a rental player has been better than our return. So stupid.
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This is true... the Tigers got more for Price. The Phils got more Hamels (not a rental). The Reds may have gotten more for Cueto.

Just an unbelievably horrid trade that will almost certainly set us back
 
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
To Dodgers: Wood, Latos, Morse, Avilan, Johnson, Peraza, Arroyo

To Braves: Olivera, Paco, Bird, pick

To Marlins: Brigham, Guzman, Araujo
 
To Dodgers: Wood, Latos, Morse, Avilan, Johnson, Peraza, Arroyo

To Braves: Olivera, Paco, Bird, pick

To Marlins: Brigham, Guzman, Araujo
 
smootness said:
You're proving my point. The Brewers got Sabathia, great. He was phenomenal for them and they reached the NLDS. They then lost that in 4 games, in part because Sabathia gave up 5 runs in 3.2 IP.

For that, they gave up a haul that didn't even turn out that well. LaPorta did nothing. But even still, all they needed was one guy to hit, and for the last 4 years, Brantley has given them 15 WAR for a total cost of less than $8.5 million, and this year is only ⅔ over. He will end up over 3 WAR for the third time in that span.

I would do that deal all day every day from the Indians' perspective. Once you get into the playoffs and it's a game-by-game scenario, it's a crapshoot and no single player means all that much. Price has a small chance of getting hurt but an even bigger chance of not being much better than anybody else, as his playoff ERA of 4.5 suggests.

Those moves to add big names don't do much to increase your chances. Having even just Brantley has a bigger impact on your future chances to make the playoffs and throw yourself into that crapshoot.
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As I said, I would do that trade anyday if I'm the Brewers. You can't predict whether he has a bad outing or not in the playoffs, but I believe he was lights out down the stretch. A 2-3 win player isn't going to make me lose sleep at night. Sometimes when you are close, you have to think short term and go for it.
 
Braves get a few million in salary relief by dumping Arroyo for next year's buyout.

Somehow still have Chris Johnson.

I gotta say, I would have expected a LOT more for Wood, Peraze, Uribe, KJ, and JJ than Olivera and a pick

Total disaster
 
gilesfan said:
As I said, I would do that trade anyday if I'm the Brewers. You can't predict whether he has a bad outing or not in the playoffs, but I believe he was lights out down the stretch. A 2-3 win player isn't going to make me lose sleep at night. Sometimes when you are close, you have to think short term and go for it.
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It pretty much never works out. I would love someone to do an in-depth study on it, but 'going for it' sounds better in theory than it proves to be on the field in reality in pretty much every instance.

Of course you can't predict what he's going to do in the playoffs; that's precisely why it's a bad deal.

A team thinks 'David Price is way better than what we have,' which is true. But in a one-game scenario that difference is negligible and unpredictable. Your chances of winning a 7-game series with David Price are negligible better than with him in just about every case.

The Blue Jays were already likely to make the playoffs, given their RD, and unlikely to win the WS. That is still where they sit.
 
smootness said:
That just helps even it out a slight bit. But we were taking on money to add talent. Now we're dumping more proven talent in part to save money. Huh?
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Bronson was never in our plans in the first place. We took on his deal and sent it to LA to help offset some of the cash....so we save $10mil or so on his deal so it's like getting 5 and a half years of olivera for about $22mil
 
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