Farewell to Wood, Peraza, Jimmy Johns, and Avilans.

I will be surprised if Olivera is an impact bat. I think the best we can realistically hope for is him to be an above average hitter but not really an impact bat.
 
I cannot fathom how anyone can believe Wood is even close to the pitcher Hamels is at the moment. We're talking about a guy who consistently throws 200+ innings and goes deep into games while pitching very effectively with what Wood is, and Wood is not even close to that.

I wish I could ask all the GMs and managers who they'd take for one playoff series. They'd all laugh before saying it's not even close. Wood is not the pitcher Hamels is, regardless of xFIP and FIP. Guys like Hamels are few and far between.
 
This from Rosenthal is a bit odd:

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Olivera’s signing bonus: $12M right upon agreement, $7.5M by Aug. 1, $8.5M by 12/31. Not known whether #Dodgers or #Braves paying balance.
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Enscheff said:
The Braves acquired an impact bat (potentially) at 3B, and the prize was certainly steep. It is silly to discount how cheap in terms of money Olivera is though. There is simply no other way the Braves could have gotten an ~800 OPS guy for 3B for so little salary commitment. Remember how excited everyone was when Hart rebuilt the international scouting department? Well, those guys obviously LOVE Olivera and think he can be that impact hitter in the middle of the lineup for the next 5 years this team so desperately needs.

Mark me down as one person that doesn't think this is a bad trade whatsoever. Olivera's remaining contract is VERY cheap, so they could still acquire an expensive piece for LF, C or an Ace...and possibly 2 expensive pieces.
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It should be cheap, he's a injured 30 year old with no professional experience. I understand the point of view of the Braves getting a discount on the guy, but it cost them one of their top prospects and a top starting pitcher that is 24 years old. Penciling in an .800 OPS of Olivera is pretty optimistic.
 
gilesfan said:
Im talking about something substantial to read. I think it would be an enjoyable read. You are listing a tiny sample of deals that have been made. I could research and bring up deals where non of the prospects do a thing. Did the Braves win the Denny Neagle trade? D-Backs win the Curt Schilling deal? Cubs win the Rick Sutcliffe deal?
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Haha what? None of those guys were rentals.
 
gilesfan said:
It should be cheap, he's a injured 30 year old with no professional experience. I understand the point of view of the Braves getting a discount on the guy, but it cost them one of their top prospects and a top starting pitcher that is 24 years old. Penciling in an .800 OPS of Olivera is pretty optimistic.
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I think maybe a best case comp would be a Howie Kendrick type... which would play really well at 2b
 
If the $ works out the way Passan is saying, I think Hart may have actually fought this thing to a draw. Hopefully we'll get clarity on that stuff soon.
 
smootness said:
You're undervaluing Wood. He has performed far closer to Hamels and even Price than you think.
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Wood is certainly close to Hamels. The difference being the durability of Hamels and how long he's done it. OTOH, Wood is performing similar to him at age 24, so you get Wood for several years (sounds painful) whereas you can only expect Hamels to be at his level for a couple/few more years.
 
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#Dodgers covering all of Olivera $28M bonus, but not all of $ owed to Arroyo. #Braves picking up part of that
 
smootness said:
But being a workhorse doesn't matter in the playoffs. The gap between Hamels and Wood is bigger over the course of a full season than it is in a one-game scenario. Wood gives you pretty equivalent value in that case.
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I just totally disagree. Ask ANYONE who they'd take for one playoff game and it's not even close. Hamels is a legit stud. Wood has a long way to prove that. Wood is never likely to sign a deal like Hamels did, and Hamels has been worth it. He is an ace.
 
The more and more I read about Bird and the adjustments, changes in velocity he has show this year... I'm a bit more excited about him than I initially was.
 
I would be fine with this trade if Olivera were a few years younger. I mean a guy with potential to put up an .800-.850 OPS at 3b on a team friendly contract is a pretty valuable player. There are only 5 qualified 3b with an OPS at or above .800 in MLB. And you look at Bird and he clearly does have some potential with that high k/9 ratio. Obviously command/control is an issue, but at age 20 he's got some time to figure it out. The pick is nice and we could turn that into a top 5ish type prospect in our system. Paco is a very cheap young lefty reliever who will help us out next year and beyond.

But I just can't stop looking at that age 30 and thinking that I just don't know if this guy will consistently put up that .800ish OPS that we need from him to make this trade work in our favor. If he does it for at least 4 seasons though then this trade will be a win for us. Huge if though.
 
smootness said:
Olivera, best-case, is really more of a 2. He's not our big bat.
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? If you look at those Cuban full seasons, he's hitting 17-20 in 350-400 at bats. They play 90-something games. He walks a good bit. He's 220 pounds. I know one scout said he'd hit .280 and 20 HRs, but Keith Law said Freddie Freeman was a poor man's Mark Grace.

O might be a 5. Who knows?

He might hit for all the power and less average or keep it up because the pitchers are consistently around the plate.
 
gilesfan said:
Wood is certainly close to Hamels. The difference being the durability of Hamels and how long he's done it. OTOH, Wood is performing similar to him at age 24, so you get Wood for several years (sounds painful) whereas you can only expect Hamels to be at his level for a couple/few more years.
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But Wood will miss 2 of those years so no worries
 
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