Farewell to Wood, Peraza, Jimmy Johns, and Avilans.

rico43 said:
Have say there's something seriously wrong with your memory, then, Be it short-term (Teixeira) or timeless (Barker).
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Difference then was we were going for it - trying to win. Which as a fan, I can at least appreciate.

This was not a move that needed to be made right now. Could have been made in the offseason - or later. We didn't get the value we should have.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
So, for 2016:
M. Smith CF
Maybin RF
Freeman 1B
Olivera 3B
Markakis LF
Peterson 2B
Simba SS
C-Beth C

IF we go after a really solid catcher and succeed, that's honestly not a bad lineup.

If we can solidify the rotation with a true anchor, we'd be set as well.

I'm not happy about the trade, but I do understand it. We NEED Olivera to be a boss.
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Olivera, best-case, is really more of a 2. He's not our big bat.
 
smootness said:
You're undervaluing Wood. He has performed far closer to Hamels and even Price than you think.
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I get the FIP and xFIP stuff, but Hamels is a legitimate workhorse and ace where as Wood is not that. Hamels for the playoffs is a huge step up over Wood for the playoffs. As I've always said, there's more to being a frontline SP than peripherals. Price and Hamels consistently go deep into games and have long, sustained success. Wood is not on their level.
 
sturg33 said:
We get it. The FO does no wrong.

It doesn't matter what we traded for Uribe... he had value and we gave him away.

Regardless of that deal though - which doesn't mean a lot. This is one of the worst deals I can remember. I can't fathom how LAD talked Peraza into the deal.
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Because you can't steal first base.

Peraza projects to .290-.300 OBP in the big leagues. And he'll slug .330-.350.

Can't hit leadoff with that.

BTW, Paco (Go Gators) is a LH relief stud. You can look it up.

Bird is a lottery ticket. Arroyo money is awesome to lose, if they reinvest.

We know they're stockpiling picks.

So the Johns clearly have a Woody for Olivera.

They only need to right about one half of the equation to win. Either Olivera is a stud or Wood goes flaccid.
 
smootness said:
You're undervaluing Wood. He has performed far closer to Hamels and even Price than you think.
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The numbers show Alex much closer to Hamels than you would believe, I agree. He is cheaper, and younger.

I'd say the lower first round pick is worth 5 Mill as well. Important note, along with moving away from Arroyo's salary. That guy probably has no idea where his checks are going to be coming from.
 
zbhargrove said:
The deal is quite a bit more attractive with the inclusion of Arroyo.... still worried Olivera can't stay healthy, though. Sounds like they examined the hell out of his medical charts, though.
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BC the Braves medical staff has shown a great of history of understanding the health of its players

- Mac
- Uggla
- BJ
-Every pitcher we have destroyed
 
zbhargrove said:
The deal is quite a bit more attractive with the inclusion of Arroyo.... still worried Olivera can't stay healthy, though. Sounds like they examined the hell out of his medical charts, though.
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Meh. The money this year doesn't matter, so we saved ourselves $4.5 million for next year. That's something, but it doesn't really change the deal.
 
sturg33 said:
Difference then was we were going for it - trying to win. Which as a fan, I can at least appreciate.

This was not a move that needed to be made right now. Could have been made in the offseason - or later. We didn't get the value we should have.
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Yup.

I personally think we didn't do a thing but create more holes. We still have ZERO power.
 
zbhargrove said:
The deal is quite a bit more attractive with the inclusion of Arroyo.... still worried Olivera can't stay healthy, though. Sounds like they examined the hell out of his medical charts, though.
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I'm interested. Our offense is a hell of a lot better, no doubt. Getting him for practically 22 million is pretty amazing.

Well, we shall see.
 
yeezus said:
I get the FIP and xFIP stuff, but Hamels is a legitimate workhorse and ace where as Wood is not that. Hamels for the playoffs is a huge step up over Wood for the playoffs. As I've always said, there's more to being a frontline SP than peripherals. Price and Hamels consistently go deep into games and have long, sustained success. Wood is not on their level.
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But being a workhorse doesn't matter in the playoffs. The gap between Hamels and Wood is bigger over the course of a full season than it is in a one-game scenario. Wood gives you pretty equivalent value in that case.
 
dak said:
Just to repeat, difference of about $10m in actual completed trade versus what was discussed last night. Call it getting Touki, call it Hector for 5 for$22m. Whatever you call it, it's a significant change in this deal in the Braves favor.

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 2m2 minutes ago

Between the ~$30M in signing bonus savings and Dodgers taking on Arroyo deal, Braves gave up Wood/Peraza to get Olivera for 5 years, ~$22M.
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That's the same impact as shedding Chris Johnson's salary. A little more.
 
The Braves acquired an impact bat (potentially) at 3B, and the price was certainly steep. It is silly to discount how cheap in terms of money Olivera is though. There is simply no other way the Braves could have gotten an ~800 OPS guy for 3B for so little salary commitment. Remember how excited everyone was when Hart rebuilt the international scouting department? Well, those guys obviously LOVE Olivera and think he can be that impact hitter in the middle of the lineup for the next 5 years this team so desperately needs.

Mark me down as one person that doesn't think this is a bad trade whatsoever. Olivera's remaining contract is VERY cheap, so they could still acquire an expensive piece for LF, C or an Ace...and possibly 2 expensive pieces.
 
I was certainly more upset with the Tex deal at the time since he was just an (extended) rental. Still, I'm going to go over to my corner now and throw up. Without Wood and Johnson, there's just not much to get excited about this year as we limp to season's end with this impotent line-up.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Because you can't steal first base.

Peraza projects to .290-.300 OBP in the big leagues. And he'll slug .330-.350.

Can't hit leadoff with that.

BTW, Paco (Go Gators) is a LH relief stud. You can look it up.

Bird is a lottery ticket. Arroyo money is awesome to lose, if they reinvest.

We know they're stockpiling picks.

So the Johns clearly have a Woody for Olivera.

They only need to right about one half of the equation to win. Either Olivera is a stud or Wood goes flaccid.
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The shine has clearly worn off Peraza. Wood I can live with dealing and long term, that contract for Hector is a massive trade chip\value. Allows us to spend and remake the lineup on the Dodgers with .50 of every dollar being the dodgers.
 
yeezus said:
I'm just not going to pretend I know this is the case when we can see how well these guys have done in trades very recently.
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If you can't evaluate their value now, then you also can't assume we fleeced the D-Backs for Toussaint. It works both ways.
 
smootness said:
Teixiera, Samardzija, Doyle Alexander, Randy Johnson...check out those deals and tell me the big-name player was the better end. Now give me the list of big rentals who led their team to the WS.
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Im talking about something substantial to read. I think it would be an enjoyable read. You are listing a tiny sample of deals that have been made. I could research and bring up deals where non of the prospects do a thing. Did the Braves win the Denny Neagle trade? D-Backs win the Curt Schilling deal? Cubs win the Rick Sutcliffe deal?
 
Burnedstang said:
My only worry is that we save all this money by trading away these guys and Liberty doesn't do anything with it. My confidence in Liberty actually letting us spend is at 0. I'm sure they are thrilled with all the savings as of late...
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If that were true, neither Hart nor Coppollela would be anywhere near this organization. The stingy Liberty fear is about two years out of date, before all the contract extensions.
 
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