2 is better than 1. I think the pure talent level of Wood and Olivera is negligible at best, especially considering that we've never seen Olivera play. A good major league #2 starter has a ton of talent. I don't know how anyone could say Olivera is definitely more talented. Include Peraza, and there's no way.
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2 is better than 1. I think the pure talent level of Wood and Olivera is negligible at best, especially considering that we've never seen Olivera play. A good major league #2 starter has a ton of talent. I don't know how anyone could say Olivera is definitely more talented. Include Peraza, and there's no way.
And what if the Braves have offered WOod to other organizations. I think these are things that we all assume on message boards without having any idea about. I have no clue either but I would like to think that the Braves sent out feelers to other organizations. Or maybe they just really liked Olivera and used this chip. I have no clue but I'm not going to make claims like some are making on here. This is just my opinion and not a fact obviously.
I really doubt any us can gauge bat speed on a batting practice youtube video. We do have a scouting report (rightly or wrongly) that is concerned with his bat speed bc of real life action (getting tied up on balls inside). The author also supported his point with the significant bat wrap that Olivera has.
Well again, I'm just basing it off of what others have reported since we have no real body of work to go on. I don't believe its a slam dunk that Wood has more talent than Olivera but I'm also not sure how to compare the talent impact of a pitcher vs a hitter.
Pretty much every pitcher's velocity drops. That's not some big negative against Wood.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Some people (not Braves people) seem to really like Bird's upside, too.
So you would trade Peraza for a first round draft pick?
SO you think it was the Braves wanting to trade Wood as opposed tot he Braves actively seeking Olivera?
If this is the going rate for a very good, 24-year-old major league starting pitcher (especially when Peraza is thrown in), then we made a severe miscalculation on the price of pitching on the trade market.
I honestly hope for our future moves that this is simply a bad move for us and not Wood's true value.
Dending on the actual pick spot and the talent pool maybe. But in most situations definitely not.
The going rate? You mean the rate of a player that before taking a professional AB was able to garner 60+ million dollars? Why are people making Olivera out to be a chump? I'm not understanding this.
I think the two are independent of each other but happen to align in this situation. If the Dodgers weren't interested in Wood I think the Braves would have found a way to make the trade happen.
You just can't simultaneously say, 'Well, now is the time to trade Wood and Peraza because their value is at its highest; they could fall off' and, 'We had to take less because they could fall off soon.'
If the future risk of injury or a drop-off in production was included in their present valuation, then no, this is not their peak value and we should have kept them.
If the future risk of injury or a drop-off in production was included in their present valuation, then no, this is not their peak value and we should have kept them.
But present value as a concept is based on the future.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Why does this keep getting repeated?
Not every pitcher's velo drops, especially when they aren't even throwing 90 MPH to begin with. You compared Wood to Hamels. Hamels is still throwing 95 MPH. If Wood can get up (hehehe) to that, fine. But he never has, and I don't see it happening. He dropped from just below 90 MPH to just above 89 MPH. Down 1.6 MPH from 2013. If you're throwing 95 and scale it back to 93, ok. 91.7 to 89.3 is not encouraging. And not "normal."
Good lord, thethe. The odds of that pick reaching Peraza status is almost nil.
He was able to garner $60+ million from one team, easily the richest in the sport and a team looking to go for it all with a perceived need at either 3B or 2B. Let's not act like multiple teams were willing to give him that deal.
And what do you think Wood would go for on the open market right now? Peraza? I would be willing to guess the two of them would combine for a whole heck of a lot more than $60 million.
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Again - when you first saw the names of the Braves, you questioned whether we'd be getting both Olivera and Puig.
So clearly, you thought the value of our package was quite high. And you weren't wrong. Hart was
Alex Wood had 2 units of drop in his velcoity from age 22 to 24. Some of that first year was obviously in the bullpen but that would mean his velocity drop is greater than the average no?