Farewell to Wood, Peraza, Jimmy Johns, and Avilans.

smootness said:
Olivera is the kind of return I would expect to get for a guy like Wood if in the last year of his deal.

Why? Because in addition to the valuation for each player, you also have to look at team needs. The Dodgers have 0 need for Olivera now or in the future and were on the hook for his contract. To them, the only possible value he has is in what he would bring back in a trade. That actually does diminish his value on the market, and it should diminish his value more than any perceived possibility of an injury to Wood in the future.

The Dodgers do have a striking need for another good SP, even if just for the rest of this year. Unloading a piece that they have to pay but will provide little value to them seems like a fair price to pay for a rental SP for a stretch run.

It does not in any way seem like a fair price for a good 24-year-old SP with 4 years left on a rookie deal and a top-30 prospect ready to hit the majors with 6 years left on a rookie deal.

From our standpoint, in the middle of a rebuild, we got a 30-year-old 3B/2B with a good bat and questionable defense with significant injury concerns who has never seen major league pitching and gave up a 24 year old who pitched extremely well for us for 3 years and had 4 years left on a deal plus a very good prospect with little power or walks but very good defense, speed, and a good hit tool.

From their standpoint, they got a good #2 starter for the stretch run and a guy they'll still have as either a pitcher or an asset for 4 more years and a very good SS prospect with little power or walks but very good defense, speed, and a good hit tool. And they gave up a player who has yet to play in the majors and is probably blocked.

How anyone can say this deal is anywhere near good from our standpoint, especially compared to theirs, is beyond me.
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Couldn't Olivera have played 2B for therm?
 
gilesfan said:
I really doubt any us can gauge bat speed on a batting practice youtube video. We do have a scouting report (rightly or wrongly) that is concerned with his bat speed bc of real life action (getting tied up on balls inside). The author also supported his point with the significant bat wrap that Olivera has.
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Watch some his videos(on Youtube) when he was in the Dodgers' farm system. His bat speed isn't slow even with the "wrap". Google "Hector Olivera bat speed" and see what most of the scouts say about his bat speed. It's almost all positive.
 
sturg33 said:
Does anyone doubt we could've gotten Soler for Wood/Peraza? Wouldn't that have been better?
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Probably not, but I do think it would have been a discussion if it was Wood and a pitching prospect, someone like Wisler. And while I might balk at that price, it would be the beginnings of a possible mega-deal...something like Soler and McKinney for Wood, Wisler, and Davidson.
 
Last thing I'm saying on this trade: We shall see. I'm not getting my panties in a bunch, and I'm going to have faith that the FO that made a lot of good trades recently did so here.
 
gilesfan said:
Fangraphs uses inferior technology. They even state that brooks baseball is a better source of pitcher velocity.

Even the decline is greater (I'm not sure it is), wouldn't someone who intentionally gets more movement decrease in velocity? Wooks sinker is dropping 3 inches more than last year. The guy throws a 90 mph sinker as a starter, why would anyone even compare to guys throwing 4 seamers? That's dumb.
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Even with the numbers they have on his site as well as consideration of Alex's relief appearances it appears his drop off is greater than what the chart would indicate is normal.

Also, I think Yeezus makes a great point in that one unit of velocity when you are throwing mid 90's is different when you are throwing 88-90.
 
bravesnumberone said:
If we turn this trade into signing one of Greinke/Price/Cueto and adding another bat or two, I'll come back and endorse it.
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I think the idea now is to go hard after Grienke. I know people like to poke fun at Bill a bunch but I really believe the Braves have tried to get Grinke in the past.
 
As long as ive watched wood pitch he's never been around 92-94 but 88-91. Even said Inan interview he's using a sinker more to get groundies to explain velocity loss.
 
bravesnumberone said:
If we turn this trade into signing one of Greinke/Price/Cueto and adding another bat or two, I'll come back and endorse it.
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The problem is you don't have to make this trade to still sign a pitcher. It's not like this trade allows us to now sign a pitcher.
 
gilesfan said:
The problem is you don't have to make this trade to still sign a pitcher. It's not like this trade allows us to now sign a pitcher.
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I think it kind of does because you possibly have filled a big need in the future for severely under market value. If you had to end up paying a third baseman 15-20 million a year then you won't have as much flexiblity.
 
yeezus said:
Last thing I'm saying on this trade: We shall see. I'm not getting my panties in a bunch, and I'm going to have faith that the FO that made a lot of good trades recently did so here.
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And I'll be out of this thread with my last thoughts: I think this trade stinks, but I hope it turns out well for us. There is a chance it does. And I like the draft pick.
 
gilesfan said:
The problem is you don't have to make this trade to still sign a pitcher. It's not like this trade allows us to now sign a pitcher.
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But it does give us a relatively cheap and potentially impactful bat at 3B. If we spent big on an SP (Price / Grienke) and an OF (???), that would sap all of our money. We'd have to fill 3B on the cheap and we don't have any ML options to do that with (Thanks Rio Ruiz)
 
thethe said:
Even with the numbers they have on his site as well as consideration of Alex's relief appearances it appears his drop off is greater than what the chart would indicate is normal.

Also, I think Yeezus makes a great point in that one unit of velocity when you are throwing mid 90's is different when you are throwing 88-90.
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I'm not sure. It's a half a mph. If anything the graph is fairly consistent.

How many starters in baseball throw a 2 seamer mid 90s? I doubt there are many; if any. I think Strasburg can get his 2 seamer to 95...maybe. Why would you compare a guy throwing a sinker to others throwing a 4 seamer?
 
thethe said:
I think it kind of does because you possibly have filled a big need in the future for severely under market value. If you had to end up paying a third baseman 15-20 million a year then you won't have as much flexiblity.
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If you are hell bent on trading Wood, finding a position player is doable.
 
gilesfan said:
I'm not sure. It's a half a mph. If anything the graph is fairly consistent.

How many starters in baseball throw a 2 seamer mid 90s? I doubt there are many; if any. I think Strasburg can get his 2 seamer to 95...maybe. Why would you compare a guy throwing a sinker to others throwing a 4 seamer?
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No, and thats a valid point but then the velocity graph that you are using as proof is no conclusive enough to use in an argument since the information needs to be disagregated further.
 
NYCBrave said:
But it does give us a relatively cheap and potentially impactful bat at 3B. If we spent big on an SP (Price / Grienke) and an OF (???), that would sap all of our money. We'd have to fill 3B on the cheap and we don't have any ML options to do that with (Thanks Rio Ruiz)
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So now you are signing a starter in his 30s or approaching it. So, is the team "going for it" now?
 
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