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smootness said:
So are you now arguing they have similar value? Because that's not what you argued initially. I'm just trying to find out what your actual positions are.

You seemed pretty adamant that Kendrick could not be blocking Olivera because Kendrick is a 2B...but then argued that of course Kendrick is blocking Olivera because Olivera can play 2B now and will still be able to a few years down the line.

You also seemed pretty clear that comparing Woods to Shields is absurd because Wood clearly has more current value due to age and contract...but now seem to be suggesting that, actually, it's a fair argument that they have a similar value.

You're weird, man. But thanks for the sarcasm and 'tude while switching positions and agreeing. You do you.
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First, Kendrick was blocking Olivera, he's one of the better all around 2B in baseball.

And of course Turner was having a great year until he went on the DL.

So Olivera WAS blocked.

And says the guy who was mad at our draft now likes it, second guessing is fun, huh?

Regarding Shields/Wood, money obviously is the factor there but taking that out, Wood isnt on Shields level at all. Wood simply doesnt go as deep into games as the other top pitchers do, thats a fact.
 
smootness said:
That's a terrible stat. But it helps me understand where you're coming from, so thanks for that.

You're coming from a place that believes errors is a great way to determine defensive contributions.
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AGon, Rollins, and Kendrick are above average defense, as is Puig and Joc.

Ethier is so so, Turner is ok, i dont see enough of Grandal to tell.

But they're a pretty solid team defensively.
 
Heyward said:
First, Kendrick was blocking Olivera, he's one of the better all around 2B in baseball.

And of course Turner was having a great year until he went on the DL.

So Olivera WAS blocked.

And says the guy who was mad at our draft now likes it, second guessing is fun, huh?

Regarding Shields/Wood, money obviously is the factor there but taking that out, Wood isnt on Shields level at all. Wood simply doesnt go as deep into games as the other top pitchers do, thats a fact.
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You called me 'bud' while actually arguing that, no, Kendrick was not blocking Olivera because Kendrick is a 2B. So...good one.
 
smootness said:
You called me 'bud' while actually arguing that, no, Kendrick was not blocking Olivera because Kendrick is a 2B. So...good one.
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Yet you think Olivera can play 2B, so you thought he was blocking Kendrick.
 
Not sure why Olivera starting in the minors is being perceived as him being blocked. He was assigned to a MILB roster for all of 17 days before getting hurt. Here's a timeline of events from the venerable Wikipedia . . .

Olivera worked out at the Dodgers training facility in the Dominican while waiting for his visa to travel to the U.S. to be approved, which finally happened on May 11, 2015.[9] He passed his physical on May 19 and officially signed his contract.[10] The physical also revealed that, contrary to previous reports, he did not need elbow surgery.[11] The team announced that Olivera would spend several weeks at their spring training facility in Arizona before joining a minor league team.[12] On June 3, he was assigned to the Double-A Tulsa Drillers of the Texas League to begin his professional baseball career.[13] He made his debut with the Drillers the following day and had one hit in four at-bats with two walks in a game against the Midland RockHounds. This was his first game action since the 2013-14 Cuban season and manager Razor Shines said of him, "For a guy that hasn't played in that long, his at-bats were really good."[14] In six games for the Dillers, Olivera batted .318 and hit a grand slam.[2] He was promoted to the Triple-A Oklahoma City Dodgers on June 12.[15] His advancement was hampered by a hamstring injury on June 20.[16]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Héctor_Olivera_(baseball)
 
Heyward said:
First, Kendrick was blocking Olivera, he's one of the better all around 2B in baseball.

And of course Turner was having a great year until he went on the DL.

So Olivera WAS blocked.

And says the guy who was mad at our draft now likes it, second guessing is fun, huh?

Regarding Shields/Wood, money obviously is the factor there but taking that out, Wood isnt on Shields level at all. Wood simply doesnt go as deep into games as the other top pitchers do, thats a fact.
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Are we talking about the past 3-4 years or now and into the future? Because Shields is 33 and having a bad year in one of the best pitching parks in the game. We very likely have seen the best of Shields while Wood is entering his prime. No doubt that Shields has been a very good pitcher for 7 years who constantly put up 200+ inning seasons. Wood may never match that. But right now going forward I don't see how it's hard to see Wood being the better pitcher. There is no doubt value wise he is better. Shields is 18.75 million a year for 3 more years while Wood has league min years and arby years to come.
 
thewupk said:
Are we talking about the past 3-4 years or now and into the future? Because Shields is 33 and having a bad year in one of the best pitching parks in the game. We very likely have seen the best of Shields while Wood is entering his prime. No doubt that Shields has been a very good pitcher for 7 years who constantly put up 200+ inning seasons. Wood may never match that. But right now going forward I don't see how it's hard to see Wood being the better pitcher. There is no doubt value wise he is better. Shields is 18.75 million a year for 3 more years while Wood has league min years and arby years to come.
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I said money obviously a factor which plays a role and whose to say we havent seen the best of Wood with his velocity going down?
 
Heyward said:
I said money obviously a factor which plays a role and whose to say we havent seen the best of Wood with his velocity going down?
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Sure. That is a possibility. But odds are a 24 year old will get better and a 33 year old will start to get worse. Anything can happen though.
 
When Olivera gets back on the field, it would be prudent not to judge him too harshly if he's had that long a layoff from game experience.
 
Julio3000 said:
When Olivera gets back on the field, it would be prudent not to judge him too harshly if he's had that long a layoff from game experience.
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Would be logical to do so, but im sure in his first 0-4, im sure some will bash him.
 
auyushu said:
Wood has averaged 5.9 IP per start this year, Shields has averaged 6.0 IP per start. Come again?
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Fair point, but Shields has gone 7-8 straight years of 200+ IP, that is a TOR/ace (not saying he is now), until Wood does that consistently, he'll be in that mix.

He hasnt yet.

All the top guys go 200+ IP, Wood doesnt, period.
 
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