How do the Braves find bats for 2017 and beyond?

The problem is... I'm not nearly as confident in the return for pitching assets as I was a month ago. Everyone knows that I think the return for Wood was dreadful... and I'd guess he had more trade value than any other pitcher, except maybe Shelby
 
Hawk said:
Yep, exactly.

This team has a **** ton of money and apparently won't be spending it on FA bats or pitchers (if you chose to read the company line) ... so, the next 6-8 months are going to be extremely interesting and entirely unpredictable.
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I don't think we have that much free payroll for 2016. Something around 25-30M. We will have more for 2017.
 
nsacpi said:
To quote one of our outstanding posters around here "it's going to be the same tired crap over and over and over."

You gotta let it go dude. You seem a little obsessed with Heyward.
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Glad you're single-handedly raising the level of discourse to counteract this disastrous turn.
 
nsacpi said:
I don't think we have that much free payroll for 2016. Something around 25-30M. We will have more for 2017.
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Nobody knows beyond semi-reasonable deduction, which would seem to indicate that the Braves possessed payroll flexibility in 2015 that they haven't yet taken full advantage of, and it would seem to follow that as the team prepares to light the fuse on the grandiose fireworks show that will be _2017: A Braves Odyssey_ that same level of financial liberty still exists.

I would love to see the teams books especially as it relates to their spending at Cobb and (presumably) decreased 2015 Ted revenues. Those are two factors none of us have really properly considered.
 
Attendance is down over 3,000 per game. I would guess that means revenue is down over $100,000 per game. Over an 81 game home season, the decline in revenue from attendance must be around 10M.
 
nsacpi said:
Attendance is down over 3,000 per game. I would guess that means revenue is down over $100,000 per game. Over an 81 game home season, the decline in revenue from attendance must be around 10M.
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I don't remember last year, but they've been discounting tix big time this year - which further adds to the declines
 
Also would need to factor, to some degree, advertising buys and revenue sources beyond gate receipts (concessions/parking/merchandise sales etc.)

Obviously, they would have calculated for this on multiple levels, but there's always the element of unpredictability.

And then, still, the looming possibility of cost overruns in Cobb which seems likely given the haste in which the project has been executed. IIRC (and there's a strong chance I am very wrong) the Braves are responsible for those.
 
nsacpi said:
Attendance is down over 3,000 per game. I would guess that means revenue is down over $100,000 per game. Over an 81 game home season, the decline in revenue from attendance must be around 10M.
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Corporate ownership. Have a bad year financially and write it off the taxes. Liberty hates paying tax.
 
Hawk said:
Yep, exactly.

This team has a **** ton of money and apparently won't be spending it on FA bats or pitchers (if you chose to read the company line) ... so, the next 6-8 months are going to be extremely interesting and entirely unpredictable.
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They have never Quite said they won't spend on FA. They have made some broad statements about the dangers of signing FA but have stopped short of saying that they absolutely WON'T participate.

But, even if they did say that, so what? They may choose to use every means available to keep the market guessing and change on a dime.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
They have never Quite said they won't spend on FA. They have made some broad statements about the dangers of signing FA but have stopped short of saying that they absolutely WON'T participate.

But, even if they did say that, so what? They may choose to use every means available to keep the market guessing and change on a dime.
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Right, which is why I said "if you cho[o]se to read the company line" ... I still think that they will make a strong play for Price.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Corporate ownership. Have a bad year financially and write it off the taxes. Liberty hates paying tax.
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That doesn't make sense from a financial, layman, or even a logical perspective. There isn't a firm in the world that is going to be okay with a lack of revenue growth let alone a contraction.
 
I can't find the article at the moment, but the AJC had something in recent weeks on the Braves revenue being down 14% for the first half of 2015 (when compared to the first half of 2014). Part of the decline was related to fewer home games when the two time periods were measured, so that will level out by end or year. So we should expect a ~10-12% revenue decrease for 2015 if trends hold. Unclear, of course, how that will impact profitability or 2016 payroll.
 
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