Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
But do we have any good 5'9 pitchers?
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But do we have any good 5'9 pitchers?
I'm pretty sure statheads are more consistent on player evaluation than those who don't use those stats.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Actually...isn't Simmons a dwarf?
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Well, yeah, you'd be right. When Heyward wasn't hitting his weight during the first half of last season, everybody pretended not to notice!
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
If you play corner OF you do. Not enough chances to impact a game with the glove, regardless of what WAR says. And for you WARmongers, look at your actual money spent in the real world and tell me your darlings are getting paid according to what WAR says.
It's a piece of the puzzle. The game is played on grass, not a spreadsheet.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
I think he may be joking.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Listed. So, 5'9".
Are you trying to claim there is no correlation between WAR and salary?
Gonna have to type slow and explain this one to me.
Yes. Ben Cherington and Paul dePodesta are both very consistent.
Cherington has actually won something recently compared to the John's
So, just so I understand..........when a player has 200 at bats people claim "sample size," but when they have 600 at bats, their is no mention of "sample size?"
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
Why do you even post here? Every single one of your posts consists of you complaining about other posters. It has been that way since the Scout board. Your act is beyond tired by now.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
Nah, man. Totally being serious!
How do you know corner outfielders don't have enough chances to impact a game with the glove? Is that what you were always told? Just like RBI is a great offense stat. Or that fielding % is what defense is all about? Either way defensive stats (that are apart of WAR) uses actual plays and compares them to what other players are doing. So yeah I would say it has signifigant value. It's not like a static stat like Homeruns for example which by itself you have no context on how good they are.
And yes a players salary is pretty consistant with a players WAR. That's been well documented for quite some time.
Right. So why is one half of a season more important than the entire season? Or the last few seasons of a players resume? When a player has a track record of performing at a certain level they are giving the benefit of the doubt if they struggle for a month or two.
However the opposite doesn't seem to be true. When players like Maybin or Makakis come over and start out really strong no weight is given to their previous performances and those suggesting to take caution as the chanes of them reverting back to their prior selves are high get labeled as haters.
Which was my original point. Statheads look at small sample sizes and ignore them most of the time. Where others look at them and just think that's just the way it is now. The what have you done for me latleys. There are a lot of them on this board.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
I'm not a huge fan of the Johns' post hoc character assassination of Frank Wren. I like a thorough, balanced approach that uses both scouting and sabremetric tools and where both are valued and there's open debate. Which is how Dombrowski does it.
I heard last night, by the way, speculation from Jim Powell that one of the reasons Wren was ousted in Atl was that the Braves had fallen behind the analytics curve. Wasn't Coppolella here that whole time? I know he was only anointed when Hart came in, but he was a big voice and well respected, right? I think that speculation was just that - speculation.
Wren was a good GM, IMO, recognizing his horrible choices when he had a pocket full of money. I think being in an organization like the Red Sox with Dombrowski to temper some of his more aggressive nature will be a good thing for him.
The other thing is, sometimes you try something and it doesn't work. Panda loses 25 lbs and Hanley takes the challenge of playing LF and those look different. One thing that was a mistake is in Boston's unique park, you'd better have actual premium pitchers to deal with 302' in RF and the Monster in LF. Can't take five MOR guys and say you're covered.
Yeah I read that comment about the Braves and Wren being behind the curve on stats. It's the first I've heard about that and actually read articles about the opposite while Wren was still here. So who knows what to believe. I feel there is a lot of disinformation regarding Wren about why he was dismissed. I think the only real thing that matters is that Wren wanted to give it one more shot and JS wanted to rebuild. And things went from there.