Bethancourt

msstate7

msstate7

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Bethancourt at Gwinnett...

.323 avg .358 obp .481 slugging .839 ops 1 passed ball caught 14 of 32 baserunners

What more does he have to do?
 
msstate7 said:
Bethancourt at Gwinnett...

.323 avg .358 obp .481 slugging .839 ops 1 passed ball caught 14 of 32 baserunners

What more does he have to do?
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That's solid. I had seen enough and agreed with the demotion. Prolly back 9/1, wouldn't you think?

Maybe **** got real.

Any word on the work ethic, attention to detail, that sort of thing?
 
mfree80 said:
He must have really made some people mad earlier in the year.
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He did. He was sloppy. Inconsistent effort and results. Not taking **** seriously. Banking on his talent to carry him.

Maybe they reached him. If so, that would be ****ing awesome.
 
He's still not walking, at all. I'm pretty sure the issue the Braves had was more along the lines of preparations for games in the sense of learning scouting reports and whatnot, as well as an attitude/effort issue. Who knows if he has improved in those areas?
 
He was a Wren favorite, so I'm surprised that he hasn't been shipped to Russia yet for the tombstone of Eddie Ainsmith.

On a more serious note, maybe he got the wake-up call that he needed, and even though it has resulted in good numbers so far, the Braves aren't going to give in and promote him pushing him even harder to work in the offseason and transform his game more into something that could translate into something of value at the MLB level. I didn't like what I saw earlier this year. That can be forgiven though, the guy has the talent to be at least a defensive force, and anything offensively that he gives would be a plus.
 
msstate7 said:
Bethancourt at Gwinnett...

.323 avg .358 obp .481 slugging .839 ops 1 passed ball caught 14 of 32 baserunners

What more does he have to do?
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Uh, not suck in bigs? What does it matter what he has done in the minors, he's proven thus far that he can't hit MLB pitching.
 
BRule said:
Uh, not suck in bigs? What does it matter what he has done in the minors, he's proven thus far that he can't hit MLB pitching.
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How do you propose he prove this while facing AAA pitching?

He couldn't hit A pitching until he did. Same with AA, same with AAA. If there was ever a year to allow a guy time to prove he can play in the majors, it's this year.

I'm fine with him being sent down initially, but he's past due to be called back up.

Oh, and he's walked 8 times in his past 10 games. Do people really think he still has a bad attitude, is lazy, etc., yet is OPS'ing .839, playing great defensively, and improving the areas where he needed it? Honestly, even if he was able to do that, call him up. Because we need good players, and that would definitely be one.
 
smootness said:
How do you propose he prove this while facing AAA pitching?

He couldn't hit A pitching until he did. Same with AA, same with AAA. If there was ever a year to allow a guy time to prove he can play in the majors, it's this year.

I'm fine with him being sent down initially, but he's past due to be called back up.

Oh, and he's walked 8 times in his past 10 games. Do people really think he still has a bad attitude, is lazy, etc., yet is OPS'ing .839, playing great defensively, and improving the areas where he needed it? Honestly, even if he was able to do that, call him up. Because we need good players, and that would definitely be one.
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Yes. I frankly don't know if he has a bad attitude or wasn't doing his game prep, but if those in control contend he wasn't, that can dig a pretty deep hole for a player. C and SS (and to some extent CF) have become defense-first positions and if Bethancourt isn't calling a good game, framing well, or directing the infield adequately, that would likely put him in the doghouse.
 
50PoundHead said:
Yes. I frankly don't know if he has a bad attitude or wasn't doing his game prep, but if those in control contend he wasn't, that can dig a pretty deep hole for a player. C and SS (and to some extent CF) have become defense-first positions and if Bethancourt isn't calling a good game, framing well, or directing the infield adequately, that would likely put him in the doghouse.
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It'd be interesting what our AAA pitcher's era was before and after Bethancourt went down. I'm not interested enough to research though haha
 
Enscheff said:
He's still not walking, at all. I'm pretty sure the issue the Braves had was more along the lines of preparations for games in the sense of learning scouting reports and whatnot, as well as an attitude/effort issue. Who knows if he has improved in those areas?
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It seems clear that we're going to go in another direction, which is why I have no problem with him continuing what he's doing. He's building his trade value back up.
 
msstate7 said:
It'd be interesting what our AAA pitcher's era was before and after Bethancourt went down. I'm not interested enough to research though haha
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Even if there was an improvement, you're getting into the "tallest midget" argument. Bethancourt's big league experience may lead to some improvement in performance by the pitchers, but there are some things that can't be measured in metrics and it's my guess--and it's only a guess--that the team doesn't see Bethancourt as applying himself fully to his craft and if you're going to be a successful big league catcher, you have to do that.
 
Chico said:
It seems clear that we're going to go in another direction, which is why I have no problem with him continuing what he's doing. He's building his trade value back up.
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I just can't believe that's true because it would be monumentally stupid.

'Bethancourt is OPS'ing well over .800 while playing great defense in AAA.'

'Awesome! We can trade him for something now.'

'So what are we going to do at catcher?'

'I don't know! We don't have any young catcher talent!'
 
Missing pitches with a catchers mitt pretty much tells his story.
I always taught young catchers that no one should ever see their number. Guessing the John's and Fredi saw that one too many times

Lack of focus/preparation, a tendency to get lazy behind the plate and the inability to hit Major League pitching
 
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