2016 Presidential Primaries [ SUPER TUESDAY | 3-1-'16]

Biden running would make things convenient for those who don't want to vote for Clinton and don't think Bernie would be a good national candidate.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Biden running would make things convenient for those who don't want to vote for Clinton and don't think Bernie would be a good national candidate.
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Bernie is a very viable national candidate if he gets the dem nod. Sure he doesn't beat every rep, but he's in the mix with all of them, and with the funding and backing of the dems he would be right there.

Only area he's weak on is he wouldn't have wall street's backing, like Hillary does and I could see Biden getting that.
 
A Sanders nomination is a pretty enormous pipe dream, just like it's always been. Sure, it's possible if we start talking about assassinations or incarceration, but the fact of the matter is that the Democratic base still doesn't support him.

Even with Hilary slowly belly-flopping, Sanders hasn't made any significant gains and is still being absolutely slammed by her in every poll. That's pretty telling, given that his strategy is basically being the anti-Clinton.
 
zitothebrave said:
Bernie is a very viable national candidate if he gets the dem nod. Sure he doesn't beat every rep, but he's in the mix with all of them, and with the funding and backing of the dems he would be right there.

Only area he's weak on is he wouldn't have wall street's backing, like Hillary does and I could see Biden getting that.
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The fact that he's a confessed socialist is kind of a big deal. That and he's got that crazy old man vibe about him. I guess if he goes against Trump though who knows what could happen.
 
Hawk said:
A Sanders nomination is a pretty enormous pipe dream, just like it's always been. Sure, it's possible if we start talking about assassinations or incarceration, but the fact of the matter is that the Democratic base still doesn't support him.

Even with Hilary slowly belly-flopping, Sanders hasn't made any significant gains and is still being absolutely slammed by her in every poll. That's pretty telling, given that his strategy is basically being the anti-Clinton.
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But Bernie has holds, and more importantly has made massive gains in his only 3 months on the trail. Sanders in some polls has leads in NH. If he takes NH then other states could follow. Bernie has buzz, buzz is good. Will buzz hold? Who knows. And Biden entering the race and splintering establishment dems would be good for Bernie as well. Imagine Hilary with 30% instead of 40% in the polls Bernie wouldn't have as much to climb.
 
weso1 said:
The fact that he's a confessed socialist is kind of a big deal. That and he's got that crazy old man vibe about him. I guess if he goes against Trump though who knows what could happen.
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Who cares about the socialist thing? It won't sway anyone but the R base. Especially when people hear his message.
 
zitothebrave said:
But Bernie has holds, and more importantly has made massive gains in his only 3 months on the trail. Sanders in some polls has leads in NH. If he takes NH then other states could follow. Bernie has buzz, buzz is good. Will buzz hold? Who knows. And Biden entering the race and splintering establishment dems would be good for Bernie as well. Imagine Hilary with 30% instead of 40% in the polls Bernie wouldn't have as much to climb.
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Bernie had buzz. Then came Trump.

What massive gains? Like I said, his poll numbers have stagnated in what is essentially a two-candidate race with the front-runner besieged in major conflict. That's not good.
 
zitothebrave said:
Who cares about the socialist thing? It won't sway anyone but the R base. Especially when people hear his message.
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I think it will impact moderate democrats. But they might prefer socialist Sanders over Trump so I'll give you that.. His actual message is fake, imo. He's become much more moderate in his campaign, but in reality he believes you don't have the right to own your own property. He's also a racist.
 
Hawk said:
Bernie had buzz. Then came Trump.

What massive gains? Like I said, his poll numbers have stagnated in what is essentially a two-candidate race with the front-runner besieged in major conflict. That's not good.
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Gallop poll from what a week ago had him at about 24% favorability up from 12% when he started. In a percentage margin game where HIllary has basically been running since 2013 making big moves won't be easy. According to realclearpolitics.com averages on June 3rd polls, Clinton was in Iowa at about 60.8 Bernie was at 10.8, latest polls have her at 50.5 and Bernie at 26.3. Meaning Bernie not only took poll results from her, Now the latest poll they have is a CNN/ORC from 8/7-8/11 which has Clinton +19. Her at 50, Bernie at 31. In NH, one poll have Bernie with a big lead in NH, from 8/7-8/10 Bernie was up 7 points in the poll. That's the latest poll there, overall Bernie has chipped pretty heavily into Hillary, and that's with not that long ago nott many people knowing who Bernie even was.

It's still Hillary's race to lose, but right factors could have Bernie pull a surpris.
 
weso1 said:
I think it will impact moderate democrats. But they might prefer socialist Sanders over Trump so I'll give you that.. His actual message is fake, imo. He's become much more moderate in his campaign, but in reality he believes you don't have the right to own your own property. He's also a racist.
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Bernie never said you don't have the right to own your own property.

And how is he a racist? What in his entire history indicates he's a racist? NAACP gave him a 97% rating indicating he's very much pro-affirmative action.

Bernie isn't the race candidate, because he's the people's candidate. He's rated extremely highly by (aside from NAACP) ACLU, HRC, and The Feminist Majority.

And he's decent on guns enough to attract the ones who leave because of socialist.

Sanders is a throwback dem. He's the JFK generation dem, is that enough to win now? Who knows. BUt if he gets the dem base, he'll carry about 40% in 2016 and the other 10% we'd have to see how the cookie crumbles. If it's Trump/Sanders you can bet your ass that Bush or Hillary runs as a 3rd party to be an establishment party candidate.
 
zitothebrave said:
Gallop poll from what a week ago had him at about 24% favorability up from 12% when he started. In a percentage margin game where HIllary has basically been running since 2013 making big moves won't be easy. According to realclearpolitics.com averages on June 3rd polls, Clinton was in Iowa at about 60.8 Bernie was at 10.8, latest polls have her at 50.5 and Bernie at 26.3. Meaning Bernie not only took poll results from her, Now the latest poll they have is a CNN/ORC from 8/7-8/11 which has Clinton +19. Her at 50, Bernie at 31. In NH, one poll have Bernie with a big lead in NH, from 8/7-8/10 Bernie was up 7 points in the poll. That's the latest poll there, overall Bernie has chipped pretty heavily into Hillary, and that's with not that long ago nott many people knowing who Bernie even was.

It's still Hillary's race to lose, but right factors could have Bernie pull a surpris.
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It seems like a reach to tout a bump in favorability as a 'massive gain'. JMO. Those other polls show gains, sure, but they are nothing more than incremental improvements in a two-candidate race.
 
Hawk said:
It seems like a reach to tout a bump in favorability as a 'massive gain'. JMO. Those other polls show gains, sure, but they are nothing more than incremental improvements in a fwo-candidate race.
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Sanders improving 20 points in about 2 months while being on the trail for 3 months is incremental? Seriously you're grasping at straws. I'll stress this again, as of June 13th, accourding to rcp, in NH, Sanders was polling at 13.8%, now he's at 44%. After a massive gain in June when he jumped into the low 30s. If you want to
 
zitothebrave said:
Sanders improving 20 points in about 2 months while being on the trail for 3 months is incremental? Seriously you're grasping at straws. I'll stress this again, as of June 13th, accourding to rcp, in NH, Sanders was polling at 13.8%, now he's at 44%. After a massive gain in June when he jumped into the low 30s. If you want to
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Again, considering the playing field and woes that Hillary is plagued with that is just not 'massive'. The real grasping at straws here is your continued efforts to try and paint Sanders as remotely viable on a national stage based on polling in New Hampshire.
 
Hawk said:
Again, considering the playing field and woes that Hillary is plagued with that is just not 'massive'. The real grasping at straws here is your continued efforts to try and paint Sanders as remotely viable on a national stage based on polling in New Hampshire.
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if you knew **** about New Hampshire you'd realize doing well in New Hampshire is a good indicator for national success. Of course Sanders has an unnatural advantage because of being from Vermont he's not unknown in NH. But considering I have seen several Hillary 2016 signs up since 2013, I don't consider Bernie's gains to anything less than impressive. Doing well in NH means he's doing well natioanlly .While NH is a blue state usually there's a harsh dem/rep divide including all kinds of both. It's a microcosm of white America. Got your socialists, hippies, hillbillies, bankers, old school reps, trustfund babies. NH has it all. But again, wouldn't expect you to realize that.

Now it's not perfect because as I said, it's reflective of white America, and Bernie needs to improve his knowledge in the minorities to have a shot. But his campaign is working, as Hilary said that she "is Bernie" in a recent speech.

PErsonally i just link people to this to help them decide not to vote for Hillary

http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/35-40/Bernie-Sanders-vs-Hillary-Clinton
 
Hawk said:
I stopped reading here.
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Of course you did, because you're ignorant. NH is a state that candidate spend a lot of time in for a reason. It's a momentum builder, it's a way to gauge where you are with the majority of voters. So on so forth. Again, I'm not shocked you're being ignorant, just was hoping for more.
 
zitothebrave said:
Of course you did, because you're ignorant. NH is a state that candidate spend a lot of time in for a reason. It's a momentum builder, it's a way to gauge where you are with the majority of voters. So on so forth. Again, I'm not shocked you're being ignorant, just was hoping for more.
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If not giving a **** about New Hampshire polling in August (or ever) makes me ignorant, then I wear that badge with honor.
 
Hawk said:
If not giving a **** about New Hampshire polling in August makes me ignorant, then I wear that badge with honor.
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Congrats on ignoring trends. Your originally point was wrong, you just won't fess up probably because you haven't looked at polls in weeks.
 
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