Based off nothing at all other than guessing what this FO will do.....I'm gonna say Matt Wieters is going to be our prize FA acquisition this off season, along with a pitcher we can flip in a yr or two. To those who are gonna yell never pay a 30 yr old catcher I agree. However, this fits the mold of filling your team with steady vets you can flip when needed and fill a need in the meantime. Yes, I'm one who thinks CB is gone already.
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GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Why would he sign here? It could be awhile before the rebuilding is done. I don't see us contending for several years. This is quite a hole our "retooling on the fly" has left us in.
I think we can safely say that Hart's comments about competing while we "retool" were bull****. If we compete in 2017, Julio will run naked down Peachtree.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
Oh great, now the pity party has started. I wish I could find a forum for positive fans.
msstate7
Well-known member
Not a lot to be positive about. I am glad wisler did better last night.
Hudson2
Well-known member
There's alot to be positive about. Look at the minor league thread daily and the money we have to spend. We have some good players on the mlb team to build around. Every team in the world has had years of sucking. It would have been way worse had we kept all of our players instead of trading them.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
We've seen a lot of mediocre Johnsons on display in Atlanta these last few years, but that one might take the biscuit.
Funny, during the game today I was thinking along the same lines about our "retooling on the fly." It's an interesting question.
I assume Hart was about one quarter wishcasting and about three quarters blowing smoke when he talked about fielding a palatable team this year.
The one unalloyed positive is that we cleared a bunch of money to allow us to make some moves in the next couple of offseasons. If we're smart about it, I can see us being incrementally better next year, and again in Magic 2017. That's going to depend on some of the younger guys developing, and probably being used as trade chips if we're serious about contending in '17.
The truth has, as much as we're loving the guys in the low minors right now, there isn't a lot of meaningful I help that's close to the bigs.
Albies and Davidson are still a couple of years away and are still question marks at that. Touki, Allard, and Fried are just getting their feet wet. The crop of studs in rookie ball this year are still babies. I'm curious to see what we do this off-season that improves the team in the near-term, or whether we're just going to keep accumulating picks and youngsters
The same reason Markakis signed here. We will overpay the market value and give him more years than anybody else.
I mean it wouldn't surprise me at all if we signed Weiters. Last 2 full seasons he has had a OBP under .300 He would fit in perfectly here with the rest of oru inept hitters.
msstate7
Well-known member
I keep up with the minors daily. There are some nice pieces in the system, but the best ones are a few years away. I'd feel a lot better about this year if one, two or all of banuelos, wisler, folty, and Perez finished strong. I'm worried about olivera's defense. I do like Mallex and Jenkins
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
There wasn't a bit of pity in my post. I stated a fact - we are not very good - and a fairly unassailable cause - the rebuild that was sold as 'retooling on the fly.' But we've turned over 21 of 24 roster spots, haven't we? Multiple times, and seemingly with an eye toward being good at some point in the future, not now? That's really rebuilding, not something not as deep and not as long. Hart lied.
And then my opinion, that it won't take a year to clean up this mess, it'll take more. We're not making back to Wren's standard 90+ win club (another fact) for a long time (opinion, but not exactly going way out on a limb to be negative.)
I think you'd have to really work at it to spin this second half as positive. A lot of young guys are getting their feet wet, that's good.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
I suppose. I don't see any reason to spend on pieces to fill in the puzzle. Just sign Pierzynski for another couple years. We've got to pay $30m to swisher and Bourn next year and another big chunk of dough for part of Arroyo. So that's half the budget without much to show for it.
I think the dodgers are covering Arroyo's salary next season but I may be wrong. If we aren't paying for premium talent this offseason then I wouldn't invest any multi years for players. Just go with what we have and go from there.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
This has been a rebuild from the beginning. Hart lied. But, what do you expect? "Hey, no need to come to the park for the next two years because we are going to suck because we have to tear this thing down and build it back up in hopes of having a decent team when we open the new park in 2017 because it is clear that without doing that we will hit 2017 with an empty team (Heyward, Upton gone), an empty farm, bad contracts, no money and no hope." OR "We have evaluated where we are and, while there are some nice pieces in place, we don't believe that we can contend at the highest levels short term or long term so we have decided to re-tool the team with an intent of being as competitive as we can be always but to be especially competitive when we open the new park in 2017, so come support your Braves, see the new hero's and be part of the next dynasty."
He didn't say HOW he was going to re-tool. But, it was easy to see that there was really only one way.
"Wren's standard 90+ win club"? We made the playoffs 3 times out of the 7 years he was GM. I don't see anything standard about that.
We have plenty of money to spend and a whole heap of talent to trade for established players. Your fooling yourself if you think next year's team is going to look practically the same as it does now.
Lol come now Carp, JS decimated our farm going for it in 2006 and 2007.
If you guys are going to sat Wren decimated this team's future and Hart has to clean up how is Wren's 2008 and 2009 not considered a cleanup of JS's mess?
JS gae up an emerging Betemit for Baez and Aybar. Don't even have to mention the Tex trade.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Or the Drew trade.
Still pissed JS gave away Ray King for free.
Decimated? That's a bit much. Wren inherited a farm that featured, Heyward, Teheran, Freeman, Hanson, Schafer, Medlen, Devine, Flowers, Delgado, Locke, and Morton among many others. In fact, one could argue that the major components of Wren's "success" were already in place when he took over.
And I would argue the Tex part deux (which Wren responsible for) was almost as bad as the first, given the hot garbage we got in return for Tex.
But the intention of the 1st post was not to place blame on Wren for the rebuild. Just setting the record straight on what Wren actually accomplished in his 7 years here. Which was 3 playoff appearances. Certainly that isn't horrible, but we were not winning 90 games/yr.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
We were close to a .500 team until Freeman went down. It sounds like you took GM speak too literally. Rebuilding is a dirty word. It tends to make the fans not want to buy tickets. Hate on him for saying that if you want but its in our best interest as Braves fans that attendance doesnt plummet. With retooling, or rebuilding, a ton of turnover is to be expected. I would say this season represents the tear down phase of rebuilding. During the tear down phase a lot of players get playing time they otherwise wouldnt. Its pretty much throwing **** on the wall and seeing what sticks. We got a good asset out of that in Maybin. I think Hart has always said this was building up to 2017 when the new stadium opens. Not uncommon in baseball. I know he said we would be on the outer edge of contention this year and I dont think that was a lie. Its rare a GM will ever say "Nope, no chance we contend this year" before a season starts. Read between the lines of what a GM says. I think we should atleast give them this offseason to see what kind of moves they make. All our trades up until Olivera were a part of the tearing down process. We are now in the building up phase. I dont know what in the tearing down phase has you so upset. The Melvin trade was a huge win for us. The Heywood trade is a huge win for us. Justin Upton trade isnt so clear cut but trading him was the right move. Maybe its the Olivera trade? If it is I think you have to atleast give it a chance. If Olivera tanks I'll be up in arms along with you but there have been quite a few trades in the last 10 years that we as fans hated that turned out good.