The Challenge to Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy

weso1 said:
I would not advocate bringing them to the US. I would advocate providing temporary housing, food and security for them using an international coalition. And perhaps let the refugees help build the housing etc. Make it like a community.
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A shanty town in the armpit of what country? And then what?
 
We never ever ever ever ever should have gone to Iraq. But blame it all on the black democrat if you must.
 
weso1 said:
And the naivety of those who thought we could pull all of our troops out of Iraq without something so bad happening that it would pull us right back in. Naivety is abundant on both side. In my opinion we have a moral responsibility to help those migrants. Both sides of the aisle do, because both sides have just as much responsibility in the end. Those who wanted it in the first place and those who wanted us out. I would much rather my tax dollars be spent to help these nearly helpless migrants than I would spending it on certain domestic issues.
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Plenty of blame to go around here - including the present administration (after all the refugees are Syrian, Iraqi, Libyan, etc.). And I agree weso.
 
Do any of y'all know if any of these asylum-seekers are being allowed in the US or are we totally closed off and their entry would be illegal? I'd think that many a Christian congregation would be willing to assist Christian families in particular and Muslim Americans would be willing to assist Muslim families. I think my congregation would get behind finding housing and assistance for one or two families. We can't be alone in such willingness.
 
BedellBrave said:
Do any of y'all know if any of these asylum-seekers are being allowed in the US or are we totally closed off and their entry would be illegal? I'd think that many a Christian congregation would be willing to assist Christian families in particular and Muslim Americans would be willing to assist Muslim families. I think my congregation would get behind finding housing and assistance for one or two families. We can't be alone in such willingness.
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I agree Bedell, isn't this sort of thing Christians are supposed to do? The Pope is calling for this in Europe, but Christians everywhere should be doing more of this sort of thing and less "politicking" IMO.
 
Runnin said:
A shanty town in the armpit of what country? And then what?
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It would be a nice secure place. Schools for the kids and work for the adults. Temporary though. They can choose to obtain citizen in another country or eventually move back to their own country. Eventually I think we'd find a place for all these people.
 
weso1 said:
It would be a nice secure place. Schools for the kids and work for the adults. Temporary though. They can choose to obtain citizen in another country or eventually move back to their own country. Eventually I think we'd find a place for all these people.
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Careful. You're starting to sound like a Democrat. See how easy that was.

Just to be clear, so you care more about the refugees in the ME who are fleeing their own country than you do about the poor and undocumented already in America.
 
mossy said:
We never ever ever ever ever should have gone to Iraq. But blame it all on the black democrat if you must.
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This doesn't have much to do with Iraq at all. Maybe if you are trying to use broadstrokes to paint a picture of political growth in the Middle East, but any other connection would be a kind of sloppy reach.
 
that picture happened cause of Interventionist Foreign Policy

weird to use it to try to challenge Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy people by using it
 
goldfly said:
that picture happened cause of Interventionist Foreign Policy

weird to use it to try to challenge Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy people by using it
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What I'm saying is that specific picture happened directly because of Non-Intervention and continued incredibly weak and punchless diplomatic efforts by the Obama administration.

There is no connection between what's happening with the refugees and the Iraq War. I feel like the people who say that are making oversimplified political generalizations.

Diplomacy isn't a black/white proposition though, to say that Non-Intervention is to blame here doesn't necessarily mean that Intervention would have been the solution.
 
A couple of things. Bedell asked if some could come here. I read that the U.S. does accept a limited number of asylum seekers. I forget the exact number, but it was less than 100K a year and it is for the entire world not just from this situation.

As far as whether it is a result of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is in part. It's also related to what has gone on with the embargo of Assad in Syria. The weakness of the Iraqi and Syrian governments and also the unrest in recent years dating back to the Arab Spring has caused a power vacuum in the middle east which has caused the rise of Isis. It's a difficult situation. I think in the future when we do get involved or try to weaken a regime, we need to think very hard about what will happen if we're successful. I do feel very strongly though that the middle east is far worse off than it was 15 years ago despite our numerous interventions.

Ok after a bit more research the U.S. has a refugee quota of about 70K this year with 33K allocated to the near east. This number is generally presented by the President to congress. I don't know if that might be modified, but given what is going on it's a fairly low number. As a comparative figure Germany is expecting to take about 800,000 this year which is significantly more than other European countries.
 
Runnin said:
Careful. You're starting to sound like a Democrat. See how easy that was.

Just to be clear, so you care more about the refugees in the ME who are fleeing their own country than you do about the poor and undocumented already in America.
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Yes, because we were partially responsible for it. Also, Mexicans, Chinese, etc. aren't dealing with ISIS. It's comparing apples to oranges. I want as many immigrants to come into this country as possible legally. I'm very pro migrant. Very anti open borders though. Like most Americans.

I consider it defense spending, like I would VA spending. I would spend less money on domestic welfare.
 
Oklahomahawk said:
I agree Bedell, isn't this sort of thing Christians are supposed to do? The Pope is calling for this in Europe, but Christians everywhere should be doing more of this sort of thing and less "politicking" IMO.
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Where are the Liberals? Wait, they rarely do something charitable and if they do, there is a price......blacks know that too well.
 
AerchAngel said:
Where are the Liberals? Wait, they rarely do something charitable and if they do, there is a price......blacks know that too well.
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Read somewhere that "before the thing. there was the thing "

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Please stop with the canard about blacks and Liberals.
We could list for weeks social advances Black America has made from liberal policy initiatives.

Let's begin with water fountains or voting rights or even this weekends expansion of sick leave
Frankly, you don't know what you are talking about or simply dancing in black face for the Massa-h
Not sure which one you are willing to cop to.
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Look to see how many of "Black America " are now insured for health.
Look to see how many of"Black America" have been covered by Planned Parenthood -- that the other side is ready to scrap
Look ----- period
 
William Tecumseh Sherman summed it up best when he stated unequivocally that "War is hell." The image of the fallen youngster on the beach is truly tragic, but then so is this image of a toddler with birth defects springing from the US's use of Agent Orange in Vietnam.

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At any rate, we can go round and round on the Middle East. I find it a bit ironic, in some sense, that Christians in Syria look to Assad and not the rebels for protection. So what happens if the US leads a coalition to topple Assad. We all saw what happened in Egypt with the election of the Muslim Brotherhood. The old saw "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" doesn't work in the Middle East right now.

I really got a hearty ho-ho-ho when someone was decrying the Iran deal because of the message it sent to our supposed allies; the Saudis. You mean the same Saudi Arabia that was the birthplace of 15 or the 19 terrorists that brought massive amounts of death and destruction to our homeland on 9/11? The same Saudi Arabia that has been implicated in support for Al Queda and is the home for the most radical sects of Wahhabism?

I don't agree with Rand Paul much, but when he contended that maybe the US should have been a bit more discerning before toppling Saddam and embracing the Arab Spring, I think he makes some very solid points.

The West--including the US--has been d*cking around in the Middle East for over a century now and it certainly hasn't done all that much for the betterment of the region. I still find it so puzzling that no one truly understands why the Iranians hate the US so much. Could it be we overthrew their democratically elected government in the early-1950s and installed the repressive Shah? It can't be that for heaven's sakes!

We live in very complicated times. I'll be the first to admit as one of his supporters that Obama has dithered in foreign policy. But trying to clean up the mess he was left with was not an easy task. There's no question he has guessed wrong in several instances, but if he had gone into the Middle East with a big stick, the longstanding results of such actions would likely have been negative.
 
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