Yet Another Mass Shooting

chop2chip said:
Well some believe prayer does have external benefits and, IMO, it's not your place to tell them it doesn't.

And people have been "outraged" at these shootings for a long time. Is that working?

One could argue that the increased attention from the media's outrage has brought a level of theater that the mentally ill seek which could result in more shootings.
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That's great if they believe that. But more needs to be done than prayer to stop this. Do you disagree?

The media is in everything they are in for the attention and money it brings. Not giving these shooters personal attention would be great, but can we stop the media from doing that? I am not the media, and I'm not giving the shooter himself attention.
 
chop2chip said:
I agree with your general sentiment. I absolutely 100% disagree with your approach. What positive discord can we have when that's the perception you have of Conservatives?
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Perception?
Do conservatives not fight against more gun laws?
Of course there are some that may want more laws/regulation. But the vast majority of them support the NRA and fight against these things.
 
yeezus said:
That's great if they believe that. But more needs to be done than prayer to stop this. Do you disagree?

The media is in everything they are in for the attention and money it brings. Not giving these shooters personal attention would be great, but can we stop the media from doing that? I am not the media, and I'm not giving the shooter himself attention.
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Of course more needs to be done. The man that says the prayer should be ready to act as God's instrument as soon as he says amen, but that doesn't mean the prayer itself is meaningless. Even if there is no God, the general sentiment "I'll pray for you" means a hell of a lot to some in mourning.

Does more need to be done then be outraged and angered? What are you tangibly doing as the individual outraged than the prayer giver? You don't have to respond to that specifically, but perhaps you should evaluate that before laying blame at another's feet.
 
yeezus said:
Perception?

Do conservatives not fight against more gun laws?

Of course there are some that may want more laws/regulation. But the vast majority of them support the NRA and fight against these things.
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Is that the perception you have? I thought I read Conservatives aren't prolife because they support war and mass shootings and the like.
 
Runnin said:
I don't believe the poster asking for prayers was thinking that it would stop future gun violence, nor was he even thinking of that. He can correct me but I believe he was merely expressing sadness and seeking compassion for his friends and neighbors in the common language of our times, by asking for prayers. Even if you're an atheist you should be able to understand this and act accordingly.
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Well said Runnin.
 
BedellBrave said:
How did he get his weapons into a gun free zone?
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That's always a curious one to me, too. You'd think making anti-gun laws would stop these things. But apparently psychopaths don't care too much.

I've still yet to see a mass shooting at a gun show, where there are thousands of guns readily available for a bunch of gun nuts.

Having said all that, I'm curious how this particular shooter got his weapon. Did he get it legally? Did he steal it from his mom? I really don't know. That's why I'm asking.
 
sturg33 said:
Does anyone know how the shooter obtained the weapon?
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Who knows? No one ever wants to wait for the facts before getting on the soapbox.

"We need background checks!!!"

Then we'll find out the guy passed a background check.

"We need to ban assault weapons!"

Then we'll find out he didn't use them.
 
chop2chip said:
Of course more needs to be done. The man that says the prayer should be ready to act as God's instrument as soon as he says amen, but that doesn't mean the prayer itself is meaningless. Even if there is no God, the general sentiment "I'll pray for you" means a hell of a lot to some in mourning.

Does more need to be done then be outraged and angered? What are you tangibly doing as the individual outraged than the prayer giver? You don't have to respond to that specifically, but perhaps you should evaluate that before laying blame at another's feet.
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Whose feet am I lying blame at besides the people (/politicians) who actively fight against sensible laws being made?
 
chop2chip said:
Is that the perception you have? I thought I read Conservatives aren't prolife because they support war and mass shootings and the like.
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Oh, is that what I said?
Again, show me where I said they support mass shootings, please.
Their lack of desire for actions to be taken to try and prevent this in the future is alarming.
And it's curious to claim to be "pro-life" by being against abortion, but advocate against actions to attempt to make the frequency of mass shootings go down, or support going to war on flimsy bull****, which leads to our people getting killed, just to flex our nuts. These lives are far more developed in every way than early-term abortion lives. But those are the lives they fight actively for. Actively fighting to defund PP (which will likely lead to more abortions in the long run), but thinking our current gun laws are working is just plainly stupid.
 
Ok, honest question:
If you don't believe gun laws need to be changed to stop this, what do you believe needs to be done? Do we all agree we need to find a way to stop this from happening? What actions should we be taking?
 
acesfull86 said:
Who knows? No one ever wants to wait for the facts before getting on the soapbox.

"We need background checks!!!"

Then we'll find out the guy passed a background check.

"We need to ban assault weapons!"

Then we'll find out he didn't use them.
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The problem is everybody wants to cry for action, but don't have any reasonable solutions to the problem. "ban all guns!" just isn't going to happen, that just creates an even bigger issue. Making guns illegal probably isn't the solution bc people break laws as I'm pretty sure shooting is illegal. But, people need to focus their energy on finding a solution instead of simply getting on a soapbox without one.

While we are working on that, maybe we can work on the issue of medical malpractice. There are over 600 deaths per day due to medical malpractice. Why are mass shootings such a hot topic and no one cares about medical malpractice? Simply put, its because of political agendas.
 
yeezus said:
Mass shootings are still very frequent (if not more?).
Is that the definition of "working"?
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What's your definition? None - zippo - ever? Assuming the existence of a deity other than yourself, why must your definition be the definition?

What are the rates of mass shootings per population? What's the trend? I don't know. But you must.
 
" Ohio governor and GOP presidential candidate John Kasich wasted no time touting his A rating from the National Rifle Association, mere seconds after learning about a school shooting in Oregon that left at least nine people dead on Thursday."

Now we know his stance.

that is 3 down.

For those interested in strengthening, installing or repeal/replace current regulation, House elections are every two years. Want to know what options are on the table look up your Congress persons stance. Even better find your Congress persons arch rival and see what they say

Please there is absolutely no reason for people to be so uninformed.
 
So, what is the solution?

Ban automatic rifles? (haven't been used in a mass shooting in forever)
Ban assault weapons? (im not sure what these are)
Background checks? Im pretty sure they were done on all of the most recent mass shootings

Few points:

People bring up England and Australia.....what were the gun violence rates before and after their gun laws were enacted? England, fwiw, has a rapidly increasing violent crime rate while our crime rate is decreasing.

Alcohol impaired driving killed more people than firearm homicides (including self inflicted); should we ban alcohol?

Speaking of gun violence, if you remove inner city gang violence, our violence rate is actually on par with gun violence in Canada, Australia, England.

What are people that hunt to put food on the table of their family if guns are banned?
 
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