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AUTiger7222 said:
I don't know why Maddon keeps running him out there in the closer's roll. The Rays would have 10 more wins this season if it weren't for Fernando ****ing Rodney! Jake McGee should be the damn closer! But Maddon is being so stubborn on this and I just don't understand it.
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Rodney has actually been pretty good lately prior to last night.

Sometimes as a closer you just don't have it that night.

Hurts my fantasy team, had David Price, smh.

#KillTheWin
 
Heyward said:
Mesaraco
Votto
BP
Cozart
Frazier
Ludwick
Choo
Bruce

Is a pretty good lineup

Acting like they only have 3 good hitters is foolish talk and ignorant.
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Then why do only Votto, Choo, and Bruce have an wrc+ above 100 if they are all good?
 
thewupk said:
Looking at rbi again? Phillips has a 94 wrc+ which is obviously below average. He is not a good hitter. Overall he's a good player becuase he doesn't suck as a hitter and he's a good fielder and usually a good base runner. But his offensive numbers are a product of that park.

Uggla would be the Reds 4th best hitter. That's all that really needs to be said about that. Yes those 4 our the teams best hitters imo. But Johnson is hitting extremely well this year and doesn't seem to be slowing down. But the rest of our lineup is a ton better then the Reds. Uggla is a league average hitter. BJ can obviously go on a tear at any given time and seems to have corrected himself. Simmons is hitting a lot better since the break and has had quite a bit of bad babip luck the first half.

Our lineup is not easy to go through. We have guys up and down the team that can carry the team. The Reds have 3 guys and they strikeout a ton. Easy to pick your spots there. We have some strikeout guys too. But if you make mistakes with them they will hurt you. The only strikeout guy like that on the Reds is Bruce.
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The reason Phillips has all those RBI's is because he has a wRC+ of 171 with RISP. A slash line of .377/.436/.549 (.985) in 150 PA. So no you cannot pitch around him with guys on base. That's why he's hitting cleanup.
 
thewupk said:
Then why do only Votto, Choo, and Bruce have an wrc+ above 100 if they are all good?
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Did I say the entire lineup is good?

I said its a solid lineup top to bottom.

You're the one acting like they have three good hitters and the rest are a bunch of scrubs.

And Brandon Phillips is a very good hitter/player.

Count me in as rather playing the Pirates over the Reds or Cards. Though if they were to play in the WC game, they may have to waste Waino/Latos, and he could only pitch once in a 5 game series.
 
AUTiger7222 said:
The reason Phillips has all those RBI's is because he has a wRC+ of 171 with RISP. A slash line of .377/.436/.549 (.985) in 150 PA. So no you cannot pitch around him with guys on base. That's why he's hitting cleanup.
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Which is also a fluke. Players don't suddenly get better with RISP.
 
Heyward said:
Rodney has actually been pretty good lately prior to last night.

Sometimes as a closer you just don't have it that night.

Hurts my fantasy team, had David Price, smh.

#KillTheWin
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This is 2 blown saves in a row for Rodney in his last 2 games. He's now up to 7 this season. And that a few other games where he's escaped by the skin of his teeth. Games where he's given up runs but still had a big enough lead to get the save. Rodney just should not be the closer. He's been horrible this season.
 
Heyward said:
Did I say the entire lineup is good?

I said its a solid lineup top to bottom.

You're the one acting like they have three good hitters and the rest are a bunch of scrubs.
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Well the rest are below average hitters which is the point I'm trying to make. They aren't a horrible offensive since the guys that are good are really good and carry their offense but outside of those guys there are a lot of outs you can get pretty easy. That can't be said for the Pirates who are solid up and down the lineup.
 
thewupk said:
Well the rest are below average hitters which is the point I'm trying to make. They aren't a horrible offensive since the guys that are good are really good and carry their offense but outside of those guys there are a lot of outs you can get pretty easy. That can't be said for the Pirates who are solid up and down the lineup.
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You think the Pirates have a better offense than the Reds? If the Pirates had a good offense they wouldn't be 23rd in the majors in runs scored. The freaking ****ty Cubs have scored more runs than the Pirates. The Pirates win because of insane pitching.

EDIT: Pirates as a team have a .702 OPS.
 
thewupk said:
Well the rest are below average hitters which is the point I'm trying to make. They aren't a horrible offensive since the guys that are good are really good and carry their offense but outside of those guys there are a lot of outs you can get pretty easy. That can't be said for the Pirates who are solid up and down the lineup.
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So you'd take the Pirates 1-8 over the Reds 1-8?

Pirates lineup isn't as bad as some say but the Reds lineup is far tougher especially once they get Ludwick back in the lineup.

Reds lineup is very solid.
 
The Reds are 4th in the NL in runs scored.

But it's three players and a bunch of scrubs, smh.

This guy.
 
Heyward said:
So you'd take the Pirates 1-8 over the Reds 1-8?

Pirates lineup isn't as bad as some say but the Reds lineup is far tougher especially once they get Ludwick back in the lineup.

Reds lineup is very solid.
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Reds offense is clearly and easily better than the Pirates.
 
thewupk said:
Well the rest are below average hitters which is the point I'm trying to make. They aren't a horrible offensive since the guys that are good are really good and carry their offense but outside of those guys there are a lot of outs you can get pretty easy. That can't be said for the Pirates who are solid up and down the lineup.
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There are more outs to get in both lineups, Pirates is easier to pitch too, hands down.
 
Heyward said:
Not sure about easily, but it's better without a doubt.

There are 4-5 guys you fear in the Reds lineup, maybe 2-3 in the Pirates lineup.
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The only guys I worry about in the Pirates lineup with McCutchen and Alvarez. And Alvarez strikes out a ton but if you make a mistake he'll crush it. The rest I don't worry about. In the Reds lineup there's Votto, Bruce, Choo, Phillips and Frazier, Frazier doesn't have great numbers but he's capable of hitting the ball out if you make a mistake.
 
AUTiger7222 said:
The only guys I worry about in the Pirates lineup with McCutchen and Alvarez. And Alvarez strikes out a ton but if you make a mistake he'll crush it. The rest I don't worry about. In the Reds lineup there's Votto, Bruce, Choo, Phillips and Frazier, Frazier doesn't have great numbers but he's capable of hitting the ball out if you make a mistake.
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They'll get Ludwick back as well.

Marte is very good too but pretty much agree.

Reds have a really good lineup.

As someone else said, Pirates are where they are because of amazing pitching especially from the bullpen.
 
Honestly if I had to pick a team to face in the postseason, assuming we had homefield advantage, it'd be the Pirates. Don't want any part of the Dodgers until the NLCS and hopefully not even then. Don't want any part of the Cardinals because they always turn it on that time of the year. I'd probably rather face Reds pitching and rather face Pirates hitting.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Honestly if I had to pick a team to face in the postseason, assuming we had homefield advantage, it'd be the Pirates. Don't want any part of the Dodgers until the NLCS and hopefully not even then. Don't want any part of the Cardinals because they always turn it on that time of the year. I'd probably rather face Reds pitching and rather face Pirates hitting.
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I agree on the Cardinals, but only if they came in from the WC.

They would probably throw Waino, and he'd only be able to pitch once in the series. Same with the Reds on Latos.
 
And yes I trust Bailey and Latos over Locke and Liriano. Liriano got absolutely rocked last night.
 
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