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Horsehide Harry said:
Plouffe is a FA after 2017. If he is projected to make $7.7M in 2016 what will 2017 be? $10M? Just to lose him (or re-sign at a premium) when you want to be good?
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And the stated goal was to have minimal financial commitments then, no? If he sucks in 2017, you non-tender him and he costs nothing, right?
 
Horsehide Harry said:
2B IS the best place on the field for him IF he can play it. His bat probably plays up there if his defense is only average. I can't see how anyone could say Peterson blocks him...
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If he can't play 3B, what in the world makes someone think he has the footwork to turn double plays?
 
sturg33 said:
I know you feel you have to blindly defend every move the FO makes, but the Olivera deal keeps getting worse and worse. If he can't play 3b, then it was a huge scouting miss by the FO
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BTW, if the Braves' scouts missed on him that badly, shouldn't everyone associated with his signing in Los Angeles be fired immediately? After all, THEY gave him $28 million more than the Braves are paying him.
 
clvclv said:
And the stated goal was to have minimal financial commitments then, no? If he sucks in 2017, you non-tender him and he costs nothing, right?
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He costs whatever it took to trade for him in terms of talent and whatever you missed out on acquiring with the $7.7M given to him in 2016. You gain whatever he supplies in 2016. It's short sighted.
 
clvclv said:
BTW, if the Braves' scouts missed on him that badly, shouldn't everyone associated with his signing in Los Angeles be fired immediately? After all, THEY gave him $28 million more than the Braves are paying him.
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They also were in position to compete immediately where, if he was capable for immediate PT, he likely helps their 2015 run, and if not, then they use him to acquire talent just like they did.

It's a matter of understanding your relevance in time at the time and properly leveraging your assets to best effect for that time. The Dodgers had the money. They used it hoping to get immediate help but knowing they could either move him or ultimately eat the mistake with no overall detriment to their efforts to field a competitive team. Atlanta isn't in that position.
 
clvclv said:
No more than you blindly feel they're mistaken with every move they make, but that doesn't matter, right? You love to throw stones without looking at the whole story. By the time the team hopes to be competitive Wood would be much more expensive than Olivera, and multiple replacements will be ready.

Would you like to enlighten us with a better hitter for less money at 3B OR LF?

The problem with you is that you think you know more than the people who are paid to make these decisions (with much more information than you'll ever have access to) know. How about sharing your qualifications so we can start a Facebook and Twitter campaign to have you replace them?

The decisions have been made (and obviously you weren't consulted), so get over yourself. The people in charge aren't spending money on Heyward, so quit crying in your Corn Flakes. Apparently they don't give a *hit what you think, nor should they. Just as you noted that you can break down unsuccessful draft strategies like I did earlier, you can look at this regime's "plan" - when they FINISH - it's useless to try to do it before they get to those target dates.
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No more than you blindly feel they're mistaken with every move they make, but that doesn't matter, right? You love to throw stones without looking at the whole story. By the time the team hopes to be competitive Wood would be much more expensive than Olivera, and multiple replacements will be ready.
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Yawn... I have praised many of the moves they made. I'm not going to re-hash what I've said a million times. If you look at the WHOLE STORY, the trade looks much worse. He is not young (31, not 23). He is not proven (in fact, his Cuban numbers are worse than many other defectors, and only a couple of them are useful players). He is not healthy (big red flag, especially considering he is 31). He can't play serviceable defense (so now we are trying to convert him to a position he's never played, which I will ASSUME he will be terrible at). We gave up a young, good, cheap left handed starting pitcher, and a consensus top 50 prospect. That's not what re-building teams do.

Would you like to enlighten us with a better hitter for less money at 3B OR LF?
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For all I know, Peraza would be a better hitter.

He's proven just as much as Olivera... cheaper too.

The problem with you is that you think you know more than the people who are paid to make these decisions (with much more information than you'll ever have access to) know. How about sharing your qualifications so we can start a Facebook and Twitter campaign to have you replace them?
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Yawn - this is such a tired argument. This line of thinking suggests that no fan should ever be allowed to criticize a move, because "they don't have as much information..." Are you suggesting that front offices don't make mistakes? Or just that fans should never question a move? Either argument is really dumb.

But by all means, let's start a campaign for me. I'd probably do things differently. I probably wouldn't trade so much young talent (Heyward, Upton, Gattis, Kimbrel, Wood, and Peraza) and have so little to show for it. Hell, I wouldn't sign folks like Nick Markakis and instead try to retain one of the best young cores I can remember. Not saying I'd have done everything right... but I don't think I would've intentionally spiraled our team into a multi-years laughing stock. I understand that teams need to rebuild, but most teams should do it when they have nothing but old and over paid players... Heyward, Upton, Wood, Kimbrel, and Peraza don't fit that bill... (that's not to say I wouldn't have made some of those trades. Kimbrel and Gattis deals were both great, IMO).

The decisions have been made (and obviously you weren't consulted), so get over yourself. The people in charge aren't spending money on Heyward, so quit crying in your Corn Flakes. Apparently they don't give a *hit what you think, nor should they. Just as you noted that you can break down unsuccessful draft strategies like I did earlier, you can look at this regime's "plan" - when they FINISH - it's useless to try to do it before they get to those target dates.
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Yes, the decisions have been made. And I think they're wrong. I'm over myself. I'm not the one who always smugly posts books on here talking about how masterful some of these moves are.

But I guess we as fans can't discuss any moves that happen for years because they aren't FINISHED yet... Next time the Braves make a trade, don't even bother making a post about it... no discussion is needed. What do you think is the right timeline... 5 years? Let's all come back in 5 years and discuss whether these were the right moves then.
 
Even Bowman not buying the "leverage-speak" from the FO on Olivera at 3B.

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This seems to suggest that the Braves won't move Maybin unless they get a quality return, and that they don't view his contract as being "under water" to any degree. Not sure the phone is gonna ring on that proposition.

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Carp said:
He said we weren't looking to trade Gattis or Kimbrel either....
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Agreed, I definitely don't read this as saying the won't trade Maybin. Similarly, no clear statement was ever made that they wouldn't be trading Gattis, Kimbrel, etc. I'm just pointing out that it's hard to say "we aren't looking to trade Cam Maybin" and then a week later trade him for the ghost of Wes Obermueller. I'm guessing that if they can't get a useful piece for Maybin (i.e., real value), they may be more likely to go the salary dump route with Swisher instead.
 
There is an article on the braves website that says the braves are considering bartolo colon mark buehrle and Chris young.....could you imagine colon in a braves uniform? Oh god
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
There is an article on the braves website that says the braves are considering bartolo colon mark buehrle and Chris young.....could you imagine colon in a braves uniform? Oh god
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Glad to see this is the "section" of the SP market they are shopping in. I think Buehrle and Colon are good options. Not a huge fan of Chris Young, but he does tend to outperform his peripherals.

http://m.braves.mlb.com/news/article/156890648/braves-tackle-to-do-list-at-gm-meetings
 
I see no problem in signing a back end rotation guy. Mentor young guys and or flip at the deadline. I'm more interested in who we trade.
 
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