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bravesfanMatt

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Just a quick recap of the trades this Front office has made. That way you can roast or praise this regime with some factual evidence. I decided not to put every signing in there because that might be WAY too long. I did decide to put my two cents in on some of them..

enjoy...

Gabe Speier—LHP—20 year lefty reliever.. who knows

Ian Krol—LHP—24 lefty, who can kind of get lefties out..maybe..we will see.

Cameron Maybin—CF—Tigers – Spiderman we will miss your smile.. but average player at best..

Chris Ellis—RHP—Braves—23 in AA.. 3+ERA.. #9 prospect

Sean Newcomb—LHP—Braves—22 year potential ace #1 prospect for Braves

Jose Briceno—C--garbage

Adrelton Simmons—SS—Angels – best defensive SS around.. I think will improve offensively this year

Luis Valenzuela—SS—22 year old SS who hit very well in A ball..I have my eye on him..insert gigty joke..

Jonny Gomes—DH—KC –didn’t do much but has a ring damnit

Cash--??—Atlanta Braves

Eyjr—OF--Mets

Michael Bourn – OF – Atlanta Braves – hope to flip at deadline

Nick Swisher – OF/1B – Atlanta Braves -- hope to flip at deadline

$15 million - Atlanta Braves -- more money

Chris Johnson – 3B – Cleveland Indians -- spider bitten..helmet thrower

Hector Olivera – 3B – Atlanta Braves -- who knows…67 year old rookie everyone will be watching

Paco Rodriguez – LHP – Atlanta Braves -- injured.. but a good lefty reliever

Zach Bird – RHP – Atlanta Braves – good upside.. B type prospect..young

Competitive Balance Draft Pick (35) in 2016 – Atlanta Braves -- should be a good pick

Alex Wood – LHP – Los Angeles Dodgers -- #3 starter.. injury risk according to some

Luis Avilan – LHP – Los Angeles Dodgers-- GARBAGE

Jose Peraza – INF – Los Angeles Dodgers –minors—some think HOF.. others..Utility..who knows

Jim Johnson – RHP – Los Angeles Dodgers—horrible—Brave agian

Bronson Arroyo – RHP – Los Angeles Dodgers --will be gone—Braves paid 7.5 of 10.1 million owed

Matt Latos – RHP – Los Angeles Dodgers

Victor Araujo – Miami Marlins

Jeff Brigham – Miami Marlins

Kevin Guzman – Miami Marlins

John Gant – RHP – Atlanta Braves 4 -0 with a 1.5 era in AA

Rob Whalen – RHP – Atlanta Braves 1 - 2 with a 3.29 ERA A+ only 21

Kelly Johnson – 3B – New York Mets --now a FA

Juan Uribe – 3B – New York Mets -- Now a FA

International Bonus Slot 73 ($299,000) – Atlanta Braves

International Bonus Slot 103 ($195,200) – Atlanta Braves

Garrett Fulenchek – RHP – Tampa Bay Rays -- young pitcher..who knows..

International Bonus Slot 87 ($249,000) – Atlanta Braves

Caleb Dirks – RHP – Los Angeles Dodgers -- young reliever pitching well in A and AA

Jordan Paroubeck – OF – Los Angeles Dodgers -- .331 in minors only 21

--easily the worst trade we made!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

International Bonus Slot 113 ($167,000) – Atlanta Braves

Aaron Kurcz – RHP – Oakland A’s --4.15 ERA in minors



International Bonus Slot 53 ($388,400) – Atlanta Braves

Cody Martin – RHP – Oakland A’s -- 5.33 ERA in minors..13+ in Majors..

Touki Toussaint – RHP – Atlanta Braves -- 19 had some ups and downs..

Bronson Arroyo – RHP – Atlanta Braves -- traded

Phil Gosselin – 2B – Arizona Diamondbacks hitting .313 in minors

Juan Uribe – 3B – Atlanta Braves -- traded

Chris Withrow – RHP – Atlanta Braves -- recovering

Alberto Callaspo – 3B – Los Angeles Dodgers -- released

Eric Stults – LHP – Los Angeles Dodgers -- released

Ian Thomas – LHP – Los Angeles Dodgers -- stuck in minors..one ML start..

Juan Jaime – RHP – Los Angeles Dodgers -- FA

Cameron Maybin – OF – Atlanta Braves – played well..traded

Carlos Quentin – OF – Atlanta Braves -- cut

Matt Wisler – RHP – Atlanta Braves -- pitched well..hit some bumps recently..finished strong

Jordan Paroubeck – OF – Atlanta Braves -- traded

Competitive Balance Draft Pick 41 – Atlanta Braves -- we picked Austin Riley..

Craig Kimbrel – P – San Diego Padres still the best closer—traded for a nice return.. good job SD..

Melvin Upton – OF – San Diego Padres hitting better for them than he did for us

Trevor Cahill – RHP – Atlanta Braves junk--gone

Josh Elander – OF – Arizona Diamondbacks junk--gone

Competitive Balance Draft Pick 75 – Atlanta Braves we choose Alex Minter

Victor Reyes – OF – Arizona Diamondbacks -- young outfielder.. good numbers in A

Bryton Trepagnier – P – Atlanta Braves 24 year old AA reliever..Meh..

Edward Salcedo – OF – Pittsburgh Pirates org filler—traded to KC

Jose Briceno – C – Atlanta Braves – junk..traded

Chris O’Dowd – C – Atlanta Braves -- cheater

David Hale – P – Colorado Rockies -- maybe a #5

Gus Schlosser – P – Colorado Rockies – junk--REleased

Mike Foltynewicz – P – Atlanta Braves -- huge debate on him.. I still like him..

Andrew Thurman – P – Atlanta Braves – not a great year.. who knows

Rio Ruiz – 3B – Atlanta Braves – like to see him step up next year

Evan Gattis – C – Houston Astros – 11 triples.. REALLY!!

James Hoyt – P – Houston Astros -- maybe a reliever at best

Ricardo Sanchez – P – Atlanta Braves only like 18 I think...so who knows..

Kyle Kubitza – 3B – Los Angeles Angels -- called up but had OK numbers in AAA

Nate Hyatt – P – Los Angeles Angels -- junk

Manny Banuelos – P – Atlanta Braves -- pitched Ok.. maybe bullpen

David Carpenter – P – New York Yankees – relesed..now a BRAVE

Chasen Shreve – P – New York Yankees -- looking good this year

Justin Upton – OF – San Diego Padres – had some numbers but FA

Aaron Northcraft – P – San Diego Padres -- 6+ in AAA

Max Fried – P – Atlanta Braves -- recovering..but good upside

Jace Peterson – INF – Atlanta Braves -- probably a utility infielder but still a rookie

Dustin Peterson – INF – Atlanta Braves -- jury is out

Mallex Smith – OF – Atlanta Braves -- looking good

Anthony Varvaro – P – Boston Red Sox -- junk and is injured

Aaron Kurcz – P – Atlanta Braves -- we traded him

Shelby Miller – P – Atlanta Braves -- pitched well.. unlucky.

Tyrell Jenkins – P – Atlanta Braves -- pitched well.. dead arm at the end

Jason Heyward – OF – St. Louis Cardinals – playied well.. FA

Jordan Walden – P – St. Louis Cardinals – hurt –shoulder may be done

Arodys Vizcaino – P – Atlanta Braves ---future closer

International Bonus Money = 8 signees – Atlanta Braves I have no idea

Tommy La Stella – 2B – Chicago Cubs -- at best utility guy

Zach Quintana – RHP – Atlanta Braves --21 .. 3.25 in A ball.. Meh..

Kyle Wren – OF – Milwaukee Brewers career minor leaguer..
 
Except for the snark about Olivera, a really good list that does what you say -- allow us to judge for ourselves. On balance, I got to say it still looks pretty promsing.
 
rico43 said:
Except for the snark about Olivera, a really good list that does what you say -- allow us to judge for ourselves. On balance, I got to say it still looks pretty promsing.
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thanks.. as you get to know me, you will realize my snark is not a representation of how I feel, but more of the mood of the day. I created this after the CJ trade, so luckily I didn't do too much work on it..
 
I think in a vacuum, each trade was at least somewhat defensible (except for the horrid Olivera deal)

But in aggregate, I have no clue what is going on
 
sturg33 said:
I think in a vacuum, each trade was at least somewhat defensible (except for the horrid Olivera deal)

But in aggregate, I have no clue what is going on
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The Paroubeck/Dirks trade is the one I can't defense. I know we didn't want to go over our Intl money.. but why two promising young players for $250 K.. That one almost seemed like a desperate move. Especially since Paroubeck was a 3B with power/speed potential.. This happened on Jul 2, so I can't think they knew they would be getting HO to play 3B.. Heck this might have even set the dominos in place to allow the Dodgers to be ok with trading HO..

***never mind.. I for some reason thought he was a 3Bman.. Still can't defense this one..**********
 
bravesfanMatt said:
The Paroubeck/Dirks trade is the one I can't defense. I know we didn't want to go over our Intl money.. but why two promising young players for $250 K.. That one almost seemed like a desperate move. Especially since Paroubeck was a 3B with power/speed potential.. This happened on Jul 2, so I can't think they knew they would be getting HO to play 3B.. Heck this might have even set the dominos in place to allow the Dodgers to be ok with trading HO..

***never mind.. I for some reason thought he was a 3Bman.. Still can't defense this one..**********
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Paroubeck never even played for us, right?

I didn't like it either. But it sounded to me like we already had a plan to sign this stud in the next class. To stay out of the penalties this year-so we could sign the guy next year-we had to get enough bonus money to make the market work. I guess we'll see if those guys we traded provide more value than the guys we signed.
 
One very good trade, one that is looking quite bad and a bunch of comme ci, comme ça.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
The Paroubeck/Dirks trade is the one I can't defense. I know we didn't want to go over our Intl money.. but why two promising young players for $250 K.. That one almost seemed like a desperate move. Especially since Paroubeck was a 3B with power/speed potential.. This happened on Jul 2, so I can't think they knew they would be getting HO to play 3B.. Heck this might have even set the dominos in place to allow the Dodgers to be ok with trading HO..

***never mind.. I for some reason thought he was a 3Bman.. Still can't defense this one..**********
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It probably seemed desperate because it was desperate. We over-signed in IFA and probably had some deals lined up that didn't pan out. With how the international market works, going back on a verbal agreement just isn't a viable option to stay under your budget, so taking a less than ideal trade is what would be left.
 
Great deals:
Touki - Gosselin
Miller/Jenkins - Heyward/Walden
Gant/Whalen - Uribe/KJ
Wisler/Riley/Maybin - Kimbrel/BJ

Good deals:
Fried/Peterson/Mallex/Peterson - JUp
Banuelos - Carpenter/Shreve
Sanchez - Kubitza

Even deals:
Newcomb/Ellis - Simmons
Folty/Ruiz/Thurman - Gattis
Vizcaino - La Stella

Bad deal:
Olivera/Bird/pick - Wood/Peraza

The rest - don't really matter
 
smootness said:
Great deals:
Touki - Gosselin
Miller/Jenkins - Heyward/Walden
Gant/Whalen - Uribe/KJ
Wisler/Riley/Maybin - Kimbrel/BJ

Good deals:
Fried/Peterson/Mallex/Peterson - JUp
Banuelos - Carpenter/Shreve
Sanchez - Kubitza

Even deals:
Newcomb/Ellis - Simmons
Folty/Ruiz/Thurman - Gattis
Vizcaino - La Stella

Bad deal:
Olivera/Bird/pick - Wood/Peraza

The rest - don't really matter
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I don't think the CK deal can be a great deal anymore. We owed BJ 3 years. Last year we suck. This year we suck and we have 15 million in money we probably won't spend.
The Pads got a nice package for CK.

I'd rather get the bigger return for CK and keep BJ since we are not doing anything with the savings.
 
I disagree with TLS being "at best" a utility player. To me he's a role player. He's not a star 2B, but on certain teams who either are devoid of groundball pitchers or have a great defensive SS his defense isn't a big liability. Offensively he'll never be great because of his power, but he doesn't strike out much, and he walks well. He should be valuable to a team, especially a team with a speedster he can hit behind because I can see him as a guy who can move runners well. It's a small sample, but he's shown the ability to hit the ball to all fields, though I think with his power his value would be as a slap hitter. But I can see that as a weapon for a team because if the fast runner is going to 2B with a lefty up the SS covers 2B meaning TLS would have a huge hole to poke the ball through and turn a potential SB into a 1st to 3rd or into a run potentially (would require some terrible OF positioning though)

Unfortunately for him he's on a team with Starlin Castro, Addison Russell, and their (BA) top prospect is a SS as well, with that many SS he's not gonna find the field. Plus Kris Bryant is at 3B so they can slide to 2B or the OF. With Soler and Schwarber likely cornering the OF I just can't see him playing much. He basically has to prove that he's a better player than Castro, which I don't think is easy at all. Castro has been overrated most of his career (how many other 3 time all-stars average 2.2 rWAR per season and are 25 or younger)
 
Russ2dollas said:
I don't think the CK deal can be a great deal anymore. We owed BJ 3 years. Last year we suck. This year we suck and we have 15 million in money we probably won't spend.
The Pads got a nice package for CK.

I'd rather get the bigger return for CK and keep BJ since we are not doing anything with the savings.
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I wouldn't fully disagree with you, but the return they got from Boston doesn't change the return they gave us. We got Wisler and Riley in the deal, which is huge by itself and a really good return for Kimbrel. And we've already been able to use the BJ savings in other ways; for example, we likely wouldn't have been able to pull off the Touki deal with BJ's contract on the books. So you can certainly argue that deal allowed us to get Riley, Touki, and Wisler. That's a huge return.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
yeah.. pretty bone headed.. I even left it up for you guys to mock.. however, I still didn't like selling Jordan for 250 K.. much less adding Caleb in the deal..
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Paroubeck has saw raw ability, but he's also 21 and yet to see A ball. I get that there have been injury issues there, but that's not usually a combination that ends up being something. We obviously didn't believe in him all that much.
 
Russ2dollas said:
The Olivera trade was and is a travesty in every way.
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I wouldn't say it is a travesty. We have to see how he shakes out. He could be a heck of a player. People raved about his offensive potential. That being said, I still am in the camp that thinks it could go down as one of the worst trades the Braves have ever made. I'm all for trading Alex Wood for young potential players, not him and Peraza for old potential player.
 
Kimbrel deal was fine especially since it got Riley in the draft who was really good last year.

Money wise, we'll see what they use the BJ savings on.
 
I think it's important to consider the draft pick when looking at the Kimbrel deal, but, speaking as someone who thought it was a great move at the time, I think one has to consider it in context now.

The net result of that deal was to give a salary relief for three seasons. Those seasons are going to end up to be lost years, in all likelihood. If Riley turns into a stud or if Wisler hits the big time it might look different, but right now I think it would be fair to knock it down a notch from a no-brainer to a "wait-and-see."
 
Julio3000 said:
I think it's important to consider the draft pick when looking at the Kimbrel deal, but, speaking as someone who thought it was a great move at the time, I think one has to consider it in context now.

The net result of that deal was to give a salary relief for three seasons. Those seasons are going to end up to be lost years, in all likelihood. If Riley turns into a stud or if Wisler hits the big time it might look different, but right now I think it would be fair to knock it down a notch from a no-brainer to a "wait-and-see."
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The draft pick is an important thing to consider in other deals too. Heyward and Upton will bring the Cards and Pads a draft pick if they sign elsewhere in addition to the season they gave them last year.
 
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