cajunrevenge
Well-known member
The only reason I see that happening is if Miller indicated he wanted to sign a long term deal with the team and they decided to go that route.
Miller market 'hot'
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striker42
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Gammons isn't very plugged in with Atlanta so this would almost certainly be coming from the Cubs. They might not know a reason but I'll assure you there is one. The situation in Atlanta is not unstable. JS and Hart are steady hands and ownership really doesn't care what happens as long as the finances look good.
There are any number of reasons a team pulls back. Extension talk, trade talks with another team, frustration with the team you're dealing with, negotiation tactic, etc
There are any number of reasons a team pulls back. Extension talk, trade talks with another team, frustration with the team you're dealing with, negotiation tactic, etc
Thats pretty juvenile of Gammons. That report reminds me of the frat boy who says a girl is a lesbian because she won't give him what he wants. The Braves don't have to do anything. If they decide they can get more in July and want to change course, then it's their porogative to do so.
This was exactly my thought re: Gammons and the Cubs. He has been close with Theo since Boston. That has to be where this is coming from.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
If you put him out there and don't get any of the guys you want this makes sense.
Pull hard back. See if someone meets your price. Show them you are not settling
We have no reason to deal him. Next year it's much more likely that Newcombe sims etc will be ready. Next year makes more sense unless you bowl us over
Pull hard back. See if someone meets your price. Show them you are not settling
We have no reason to deal him. Next year it's much more likely that Newcombe sims etc will be ready. Next year makes more sense unless you bowl us over
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I don't know about that. It seems like the determining factor should be the market. We're going to suck this year, with Shelby or without him. If we do it next year, we'll be offering a guy with fewer years of contractual control...can't imagine he'd be worth as much. Sure, publicly we need to shout from the rooftops that we're excited to have him this year, but I think we should to be looking to move him.
I do agree, though, that we shouldn't trade him just to trade him. It sounds like this is a negotiating ploy to ensure X return for him. That's exactly the tack we should take in these talks.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Yeah, actually, I think we need to move him. He becomes worth less on the market as of 4/1/16. And as you point out, he's gonna get paid at about the time we become relevant again.
I'm not so proud that I wouldn't like to put a deal together with the Cubs, even if they're being little bitches. I, too, love Soler. I was impressed with the awareness and adjustments Baez was starting to make this past season. And unlike some, I think Castro is a good piece of a winning ballclub (he had a bad '13 and looks less attractive next to Russell.).
If we're doing them a favor by taking the Castro contract off their hands, they can do us a solid by dealing him and the other two for, say, Miller, two of our top four promising pitching prospects and Markakis, whom I think would be pretty useful for them.
That's a rich deal, but it gives the Cubs what they need - an immediate controlled #2 - swaps their hitting surplus for part of our pitching surplus, lengthens their lineup with a .380 OBP guy to complement their power. And we get three major pieces who would be around for a while and form a nucleus of an offense and accelerate our return by a year or two.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Kinda, but the FA SP market is horrible next year.
We could rob a teams farm system with Shelby next year.
Just saying.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
I think what I'm saying is, if the other guys want more than Miller and WILL then give us the guy(s) we want, go ahead and make the deal. My preference is to emphasize the currency aspect of developing prospects. If, for instance, the Cubs love Foltynewicz and that's the piece that gets us over the hump to get both Soler and Baez (which I would like very much), give it to 'em.
Can't miss prospects often do.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
It's a gamble because you have to hope Miller stays as effective with no injury or other issues AND any acquiring team loses a year of control and takes on Shelby at a likely after arby cost of ~$8M instead of ~$4M.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Even if the supply/demand needle moves a good bit, there's almost an exponential difference between two and three years of control.
On the other hand, other teams are going to be astutely aware of next year's FA class already and front offices need to plan ahead for these situations. If a contending team is interested in trading for Miller instead of going after next year's FA class, they aren't going to lower their offer based on getting an extra year of control.
Oklahomabrave
Anytime Now Frankie...
So with the winter meetings starting tomorrow I'm going to bet that Miller gets traded tomorrow by 8. P.m. My bet is he goes to Boston. Over? Under? Different team?
Cueto
Kazmir
Leake
Iwakuma
Latos
(In order of desireability, in my mind at least)
Only decent pitchers left in FA.
Cueto
Kazmir
Leake
Iwakuma
Latos
(In order of desireability, in my mind at least)
Only decent pitchers left in FA.
I think more likely Miller is the backup plan for some team that misses out on a couple FA pitchers at the winter meetings. I bet once we see Leake signed we will see Miller traded within 48 hours. If they are going to trade him they need to do it when he is the best remaining option available.
It's just like last year when JUp should have been traded immediately after Tomas was signed last offseason when the number of suitors was at its peak. Instead, they overplayed their hand and got an underwhelming return for JUp.
It's just like last year when JUp should have been traded immediately after Tomas was signed last offseason when the number of suitors was at its peak. Instead, they overplayed their hand and got an underwhelming return for JUp.
rico43
<B>Director of Minor League Reports</B>
That would be the trade where they received Max Fried, Mallex Smith, Jace Peterson and Dustin Peterson and the bonus pool slot. It takes one helluva lot to impress you, obviously, because that seems to me a fabulous return for a one-year rental -- which will become apparent once you see Fried in action. Besides that, it's about the only deal that brought them quality position players (I am not on the Ruiz bandwagon yet).
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
But you are on the Mallex, Peterson and Peterson bandwagon?
Mallex has an extremely narrow window for being a ML player. He has to BOTH be able to play CF defensively AND be a competent lead off hitter. His absolute lack of power means he can't play LF or RF on a winning team AND he must be able to LO for it to be worth carrying him. The fact that he was so lowly rated at SD reflects that.
Jace MIGHT eventually become a respectable 2B, but it's doubtful. He also doesn't hit for power, but he makes up for it by not really hitting for average or getting on base. He looks like a future utility infielder who specializes in defense to me.
Dustin MIGHT be something. But for a guy who was supposed to bring a power bat coming out of HS, he certainly hasn't lived up to expectations.
So, for me, the bats brought back by JUp are pretty meh.
Fried was the key to the trade and he may or may not bounce back from TJ to recognize his projected potential.
I AM NOT slamming the trade. BUT, let's not make it out to be something it isn't.
blueagleace1
Playing the Waiting Game
Ben Revere and the Jays say otherwise...
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
The Jays led the majors in HR hit and had by far the best offense in baseball. They could afford to carry a guy like that. How does that relate to the Braves and virtually every other team in MLB?
Revere was also a platoon guy who was only in 56 games and had 226 AB'S.