O's and Royals showing interest in Nick the Stick

mqt said:
I don't see how Teheran is a two at this point. He's been pretty mediocre.
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LMAO. Yes. Teheran is mediocre. Check stats before you state that. 3.44 is NOT mediocre. His first half last year was awful. Second was fantastic.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
LMAO. Yes. Teheran is mediocre. Check stats before you state that. 3.44 is NOT mediocre. His first half last year was awful. Second was fantastic.
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4.05 FIP in the second half last year. I don't know that I would call that fantastic.
 
zitothebrave said:
Not ridiculous at all. Where's Baez gonna play? They have Bryant locking down 3B, Russell has locked down either 2B or 3B. Their top prospect is Gleybar TOrres, a SS, their 3rd rated prospect is Ian Happ, who's an OF/2B.
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He'll replace Zobrist as he ages, and there is a thing called depth.
 
The idea is that the Cubs need a low cost defensive ace in cf and pitching. If they get that they essentially have everything. So maybe they overpay to get it.

I'd need more than soler for inciarte. I just worry soler is closer to how he played last yr than he is to his tools. That said inciarte isn't special. I think there is a reasonable chance that if you have mallex plus Almora that one of them gets close to inciarte or maybe better on offense. And gets there by nxt yr.
 
mqt said:
4.05 FIP in the second half last year. I don't know that I would call that fantastic.
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Let's get real. As I said, there are plenty of stats to say he was indeed mediocre, but the Braves aren't subscribing to your mediocre (although I'm sure Coppy if the right deal were there, JT may be gone), but to a man, they have said they won't sell him short. He's in no way mediocre. Bad year? Yeah. But he's more than a mediocre pitcher.
 
Russ2dollas said:
That said inciarte isn't special. I think there is a reasonable chance that if you have mallex plus Almora that one of them gets close to inciarte or maybe better on offense. And gets there by nxt yr.
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I disagree. I mean, he isn't 'special' in that he isn't a star, but he has real value.

My guess is that Mallex is never as valuable as Inciarte is right now.
 
smootness said:
I disagree. I mean, he isn't 'special' in that he isn't a star, but he has real value.

My guess is that Mallex is never as valuable as Inciarte is right now.
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Of course he has value. But he's a guy who the vast majority of his value is d. He's a league avg hitter at best. But he has value. It would take more than soler
 
Oklahomabrave said:
For 2016 Bud Norris is our number 2 starting pitcher.
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zitothebrave said:
If by rest of offseason shakes out you mean we trade Markakis and Sign Justin Upton and sign Scott Kamir, you may be onto something. If we do that we could be a 75-80 win team. We're projected around 68 wins now, but those 2 moves likely put us up to that level.
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Again, it depends on how the offseason turns out. We are reportedly interested in adding another veteran starter.

While we've seen some good players go out the door in Miller, Simba, and Maybin, we've also added some good major league/ML ready talent in Inciarte, Aybar, Blair, and Newcomb, among others. Add to that a full year from Olivera as well. We should be much improved on offense. Even while losing Miller, you would still expect the pitching to improve a bit overall, particularly the pen.

I don't have any grand illusions about making the playoffs next year. But I don't think 75-80 wins is out of the question depending on how the rest of the offseason shakes out.
 
Deester11 said:
Let's get real. As I said, there are plenty of stats to say he was indeed mediocre, but the Braves aren't subscribing to your mediocre (although I'm sure Coppy if the right deal were there, JT may be gone), but to a man, they have said they won't sell him short. He's in no way mediocre. Bad year? Yeah. But he's more than a mediocre pitcher.
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I don't think anyone is advocating selling low on Teheran. I just think that it wouldn't be the worst idea to trade him if you could get some assets that might help the team down the line or to make him part of a package to add an impact bat.
 
mqt said:
I don't think anyone is advocating selling low on Teheran. I just think that it wouldn't be the worst idea to trade him if you could get some assets that might help the team down the line or to make him part of a package to add an impact bat.
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I'm not adverse to anything the FO feels is going to help this team for a sustainable future. Right now, Teheran can fit perfectly in it. As crappy as we think he is...let's say he reverts to his old self or half of it...think of the open market and what he could fetch. He's no slouch is what I'm saying. What would these stats bring on the open market? 10 wins 9 Losses 3.99 ERA? How about 3 years and 36 million. I'd say JT is at least worth that.
 
Julio's on a really good team friendly deal, the most he'll get is 12-14 mil and thats in 2020 or 2021.

Not saying he's an ace but he did better in the 2nd half, and it drains you pitching on a bad team.
 
Heyward said:
He'll replace Zobrist as he ages, and there is a thing called depth.
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Zobrist signed a 4 year deal so you have a commodity you can use to acquire talent you need sitting on the bench as depth for at least 2 seasons for no reason at all? THat doesn't make sense
 
not sure we need to be jumping to trade Julio. Now, I have been on board with trading anyone that can benefit the organization. however, I would rather let Julio pitch lights out for the first half then re-evaluate where we are and what we can do.. Same with Ender/Freeman or who ever.. only person I would care to trade is Nick and/or Swisher..
 
smootness said:
I disagree. I mean, he isn't 'special' in that he isn't a star, but he has real value.

My guess is that Mallex is never as valuable as Inciarte is right now.
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I agree. I highly doubt Mallex ever has a WAR over 4. Inciarted has more power much better defender and better contact rates. Inciarte is beast against righties already now just needs to improve against lefties.
 
Heyward said:
I asked for a source that Soler and Baez are in the Miller deal.
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I am not going to go find the MLB trade rumors article on my phone just to appease the worst poster of the year (yet again)... But that was reported through the site that was offered before Arizona came in and and made their ridiculous offer. The point is that you told me it's ridiculous that we would ever get Baez and Soler and its simply and obviously not ridiculous at all. Will it happen? Likely not... But not ridiculous. Considering Baez has been floated to many other organizations.
 
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