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Chico said:
Yup...We spun Miller when the pitchers started coming off of the board. I'm assuming we're waiting on teams that miss out on the OF's as well. That might be when the better offers come in.
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I agree completely. I think Span will have to settle in somewhere before Inciarte is traded.
 
smootness said:
This is where Inciarte's versatility helps us. Upton, Cespedes, Gordon, Fowler, and Span are all still out there unsigned. Any team who targets those guys but misses may come calling with a better offer that they're not quite ready to give us at this point with the hopes of bringing in a FA. SF and NYM are potential options here.
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SF makes a lot of sense. It would probably be a package based around Tyler Beade.

The Rangers make a lot of sense too. With Choo, Hamilton, and Gallo in the corners they need a defensive minded CF. I really like Lewis Brinson. Of course they got Mazara as well. They're also deep in the pen.
 
Chico said:
SF makes a lot of sense. It would probably be a package based around Tyler Beade.

The Rangers make a lot of sense too. With Choo, Hamilton, and Gallo in the corners they need a defensive minded CF. I really like Lewis Brinson. Of course they got Mazara as well. They're also deep in the pen.
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The more I looked at the Giants, I actually don't think they make sense at all. I don't want us to trade Inciarte for a package centered around pitching, they're not giving up Panik or Duffy, and Beede, even as their top prospect, isn't that great.

I would take Soler by himself before I took Beede plus from the Giants. And I wouldn't want either.
 
Enscheff said:
I agree completely. I think Span will have to settle in somewhere before Inciarte is traded.
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of course it will help as more FA come off the board.. however, teams that have already signed a big FA are probably now looking to move blocked prospects to fill the gaps. Inciarte is attractive just like Miller was in the fact that he is good/cheap/controlled for years.. So teams can sign another FA and assume even more risk per $$ or trade talent for cheap, quality players such as Inciarte.... especially if the pieces being moved are essentially blocked by MLB players..
 
smootness said:
The more I looked at the Giants, I actually don't think they make sense at all. I don't want us to trade Inciarte for a package centered around pitching, they're not giving up Panik or Duffy, and Beede, even as their top prospect, isn't that great.

I would take Soler by himself before I took Beede plus from the Giants. And I wouldn't want either.
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The only thing of interest from the Giants is Susac.
 
smootness said:
The more I looked at the Giants, I actually don't think they make sense at all. I don't want us to trade Inciarte for a package centered around pitching, they're not giving up Panik or Duffy, and Beede, even as their top prospect, isn't that great.

I would take Soler by himself before I took Beede plus from the Giants. And I wouldn't want either.
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Yeah. It would be all pitching and maybe Mac Williamson who has a big bust potential. I'd rather a team like Cleveland, St. Louis, or Texas who have young OF's as well as pitching.
 
Enscheff said:
From what I have gathered by reading a lot of Cubs-stuff (which means it's all 2nd and 3rd person info/speculation):

- Cubs wanted a big trade including Teheran

- That couldn't be worked out, so the Cubs offered Soler for Inciarte straight up

- Braves wanted Soler plus 2 more guys for Inciarte, Cubs said no

- One of the "other" guys is speculated to be Almora since he would be blocked by Inciarte

Almora is a top 100 guy that should be very good in CF (with an accurate 60 arm), but there are still questions about his bat and aggressive approach at the plate. As a 21 year old in AA he put up a .272/.327/.400 slash line in about 450 PAs. He was 3 years younger than average for that league.

In return for Inciarte the Braves likely want Soler, plus a guy that should be pretty much be Inciarte in 2-3 years, plus one more piece. No speculation on who that 3rd piece may be, but I would be shocked if it's anyone in the Cubs' top 10.

So what would be an acceptable return? Soler plus Almora? Soler plus Almora plus Contreras? Or would you rather see a package built around McKinney instead of Soler?
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that is really hard.. if we included JT with Ender, I might lean towards a deadline wait and see approach.. But the potential package return from the Cubs with JT and Ender included could be massive..

that being said, Ender alone.. I would be cool with Soler and Almora.. I think Almora will be Ender in 2 years..and you then get the power potential with Soler too..

But I think I would rather build around McKinney.. and get Contreras.. then one more.. (Eloy/Underwood).. maybe that isn't enough.. but 3 quality prospects like those are a pretty good return for Inciarte.. maybe make it McKinney/Underwood/(Eloy or Contreras).. That way we get at least 2 more top 100..
 
The return for Ender/Teheran would have to be something along the lines of Soler, McKinney, Almora and Underwood plus one more piece. It would basically complete a total rebuild for the 2017/2018 teams.

I think I would rather build the package around McKinney too. He fits the timeline better for the Braves, and he doesn't have the same injury/bust potential as Soler.

McKinney/Contreras/Underwood would be a clear win for the Braves, so it's probably not realistic when dealing with the Cubs (or anyone that isn't the DBacks).

Something like McKinney/Almora would be pretty fair I think. McKinney is probably a top 50 guy now, so he has quite a bit of value. He seems like a young Markakis...very solid defense, but not fast enough for CF, fringe arm for RF, excellent LHed bat with average power.
 
Enscheff said:
The return for Ender/Teheran would have to be something along the lines of Soler, McKinney, Almora and Underwood plus one more piece. It would basically complete a total rebuild for the 2017/2018 teams.

I think I would rather build the package around McKinney too. He fits the timeline better for the Braves, and he doesn't have the same injury/bust potential as Soler.

McKinney/Contreras/Underwood would be a clear win for the Braves, so it's probably not realistic when dealing with the Cubs (or anyone that isn't the DBacks).

Something like McKinney/Almora would be pretty fair I think. McKinney is probably a top 50 guy now, so he has quite a bit of value. He seems like a young Markakis...very solid defense, but not fast enough for CF, fringe arm for RF, excellent LHed bat with average power.
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need to throw Contreras in there to complete rebuild.. only problem, it might set the development of the young pitchers back a bit.. I think Chacin is a wild card here.. He might be a really quality inning eater with us..

McKinney is like 35 or close.. Almora is in the 80's maybe low 90's..

Does anyone know how Chacin's contract works.. he signed a one year contract but he is under arb control through 2017... that stuff gets confusing..
 
I somewhat understand the preference for McKinney due to floor and service time differences, but I just can't get on board with it. Soler is the kind of player that if he reaches his potential can be a true impact player for a team. Those are the players we need right now, as there just isn't much in the way of impact talent waiting in the wings. If you get Soler and he works out, you have a middle of the order bat to team up with Freeman and the offense starts to look pretty good. We should definitely look to get some more pieces to offset some of the risk, but the upside is worth going after.
 
mqt said:
I somewhat understand the preference for McKinney due to floor and service time differences, but I just can't get on board with it. Soler is the kind of player that if he reaches his potential can be a true impact player for a team. Those are the players we need right now, as there just isn't much in the way of impact talent waiting in the wings. If you get Soler and he works out, you have a middle of the order bat to team up with Freeman and the offense starts to look pretty good. We should definitely look to get some more pieces to offset some of the risk, but the upside is worth going after.
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Well said. My thoughts exactly.
 
Can someone enlighten me as to why Billy McKinney is so valuable? He was a first rounder but I only see one decent minor league stop with a very small sample.

Also Contreras looks like fools gold. Only good year was this year, granted at AA. But his BABIP was sky high. I think it was an anomaly.

Almora doesn't look like much... Underwood could end up big but he's really far away and we have enough far away high upside pitching for the time being.
 
zbhargrove said:
Can someone enlighten me as to why Billy McKinney is so valuable? He was a first rounder but I only see one decent minor league stop with a very small sample.

Also Contreras looks like fools gold. Only good year was this year, granted at AA. But his BABIP was sky high. I think it was an anomaly.

Almora doesn't look like much... Underwood could end up big but he's really far away and we have enough far away high upside pitching for the time being.
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maybe why Braves haven't trade Ender.. who knows.. We don't know what the Braves scouts see in these guys..
 
I am glad we are keeping our prices high. If they dont want to meet it now then lets wait for the season to start and wait till someone gets desperate.
 
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