2016 Presidential Primaries [ SUPER TUESDAY | 3-1-'16]

BedellBrave said:
We get all bent out of shape with one another. Kinda silly as I look at it now. We are in essence, truly, an oligarchy.
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For all the talk of a republic, some of the prominent members of the founding fathers kind of tended toward a benevolent oligarchy (the old Jefferson v. Hamilton debate). Democracy overtook the notion of a republic rather early in our history, but the impulse of the oligarch never truly sleeps, in whatever form the oligarchy takes; economic or intellectual. I've always believed that everyone likes democracy when they win and think it's the worst system on the planet when they lose.
 
Wasn't Bernie Sanders in charge of oversight of the VA? The completely government run health care industry that everyone agrees works amazingly?
 
sturg33 said:
Venezuela another fine example of the virtues of socialism... what collapse first, their government or economy?
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So by my count in the first 50 minutes of this debate... Bernie has promised to guarantee healthcare for everyone, college education for everyone, increase the minimum wage for everyone, and increase social security for everyone. While also guaranteeing all these rights to illegal immigrants.

And he's gonna pay for this by raising taxes on the 1%.

LOL ok then
 
zitothebrave said:
I only fully agree with him on one of those things. Healthcare. I kind of agree on SS but not really.
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My point is he is a POS for promising this to everyone. It's not possible unless he completely wants to bankrupt the country... He makes Hilary seem somewhat rational
 
sturg33 said:
My point is he is a POS for promising this to everyone. It's not possible unless he completely wants to bankrupt the country... He makes Hilary seem somewhat rational
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He does have a plan for funding it. Even if it's highly optimistic and idealistic.
 
Regarding Universal Healthcare... this just popped up on my twitter from AP fact check

The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates that the tax increases in Sanders' plan would only cover about 75 percent of what Sanders says it will cost, creating a $3 trillion hole in the federal budget over 10 years.

Emory University economist Kenneth Thorpe says the proposal also underestimates the cost of having the government provide doctors' services, hospitalization, long-term care, and vision and dental care — all without premiums, copays or deductibles.

According to Thorpe, the Sanders plan falls short by about $11 trillion over 10 years. He says the income and payroll tax increases required to pay fully for the proposal would mean 71 percent of those who now have private insurance would pay more.
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^^^^^

And that doesn't even begin to touch social security expansion, free education for all, and enforced minimum wage hikes
 
We'd certainly have to pay more money (well some) for universal health care. But to me that's a gain. And I'm sure those numbers don't factor in the increased bargaining power of single payer.

WE're spending more per capita on health insurance than many nations including some with amazing universal health insurance.
 
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