McCain is an idiot...

Anyone who calls him a traitor guilty of treason is a cokplete moron. Treason is the ONE thing in our constitution that is absolutely clearly defined.

There is a very simple reason why our government did not charge him with treason, and it is because he didn't commit treason.
 
sturg33 said:
Can you explain what you mean by that? What did he leak, specifically to those countries, and how?
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Told China we were hacking into their computers for one.

Do you actually believe he didn't tell them anything?
 
So you have nothing on Russia, and the best you have for China is that the US hacks into Chineese computers with no evidence of military computers. This of course, has been going on and known for years - as China does the same to us. Basically cyber warfare.

So I'm still curious - what has he leaked to other countries that have endangered my safety? And to carp, what has he sold?
 
"you should know they are spying on and breaking the constitution that they are supposed to protect"

great logic

it is Snowden and everyone else that is the criminal and not the people actually doing the illegal spying etc :rollseyes
 
goldfly said:
Snowden is a patriot
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Truth. Snowden sacrificed his entire life to expose the wrongdoings of our government. He won't get a fair trial here in the U.S., look at Bradley Manning's situation. There are plenty of wonderful people in the government, but the ones in power have determined the only way to keep us "safe" is a "police state". It's coming so much sooner than most people realize.
 
57Brave said:
b) why didnt Snowdon stand up and get arrested in St Louis and go through a trial? Imagine the info that would be exposed through a trial and the day by day drip by drip news stories -- now there will be no trial - just a guy that broke his word for no good reason. Other than what... ?
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He has absolutely zero chance of ever getting a fair trial here in the states. Likewise, there's no way the trial would actually be open to the public, everything would be sealed "in the interest of national security". If you actually believe he'd have gotten a fair trial then you've lost your mind.

The Constitution used to mean something. Apparently domestic spying on innocent civilians is A-ok now to Democrats and Republicans alike. So much for that whole 4th amendment, who needs that? The Democrats were against the Patriot act when W was in office but now that it's their boy Obama, it's all good.
 
CK86 said:
Truth. Snowden sacrificed his entire life to expose the wrongdoings of our government. He won't get a fair trial here in the U.S., look at Bradley Manning's situation. There are plenty of wonderful people in the government, but the ones in power have determined the only way to keep us "safe" is a "police state". It's coming so much sooner than most people realize.
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Bradley Manning was in the military, broke military law, and thus was tried in military court. His situation is not the same as Snowden's.
 
Metaphysicist said:
Bradley Manning was in the military, broke military law, and thus was tried in military court. His situation is not the same as Snowden's.
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Which opens a whole other can of worms. He worked for a sub- contractor -- our entire military-intelligence-security establishment is being farmed out to the lowest bidder or those with the most influence. All outside of the USMCJ and as we learned in Iraq pretty much a group operating outside the law.

In other words Snowdon was in affect a mercenary.
I'm not sure how I feel about that or the shift to independent contractors replacing the military
 
I actually happened to be watching that last night and kept shaking my head. Sad I used to like McCain a long time ago. Last night just showed how bitter he was he lost, just like when he showed the same nasty attitude at the health care summit. Thank god he's retiring soon.
 
Are we talking about the young Americans David Bowie sang about?

Anyway, I think it was on either Colbert or Letterman where the joke was McCain was mad because we didn't bomb Stonehenge after Obama had been there. I've never been a big McCain fan--young folks forget he was a member of the Keating 5 (only Republican I think)--and he's simply become inconsistent and erratic. Only thing he's consistent about is bombing the sh*t out of someone. If we had intervened in Syria when he wanted to, the weapons we would have supplied to the rebels would now be in use against the Kurds and Iraqis.
 
zitothebrave said:
Doesn't he realize the Iraq withdrawal was negotiated by his homeslice Bush?
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The issue here is not so much the withdrawal, but the Obama administration's inability to properly secure ANY sort of residual force in Iraq. We have one Afghanistan. We had one in Vietnam.

Obviously, we wouldn't care if ISIL hadn't reared its ugly head. But it did, as Hillary Clinton, among others, accurately warned the Oval Office about.

This is what John McCain is pissed about. As a lot of Americans should be too -- but we're more concerned with celebrity domestic violence and other trivialities.

By the way, for a senile old codger, McCain deliciously skewered Carney (who IMO, was Obama's worst press secretary).
 
The troop withdrawal had been negotiated a long time ago. Maybe if we didn't decide to arm the Syrian rebels ISIS wouldn't have grown in power. Oh right we only armed and funded the "non-radicals" no way that money went the other way.
 
zitothebrave said:
The troop withdrawal had been negotiated a long time ago. Maybe if we didn't decide to arm the Syrian rebels ISIS wouldn't have grown in power. Oh right we only armed and funded the "non-radicals" no way that money went the other way.
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Although it seems easy to lump troop withdrawal and the notion of a residual force into the same category, the two are not mutually exclusive.

The Obama administration attempted to negotiate a force, but the Maliki government would not guarantee immunity for our troops. So Biden (who was point man) relented and the rest is recent history.

Also, if you actually think that our 'arming' of Syrian rebels single-handedly propelled ISIL to where they are now then you grossly misunderstand the situation in Iraq.
 
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