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Braves1976 said:
So Pastornicky "sucks"? The Braves have liked him for a while so it's not just fans. Bonafacio can play more positions than Pastornicky (including third base). But the main reason why folks wanted him was because he can hit better than Janish. He's also likely to hit better in the NL than he has in the AL thus far, IMO. Bonafacio would've also gave us another switch hitter too.
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No, Pastor can play 2nd, short, 3rd and some outfield if needed.

Same as Bonafacio.

He's a decent player but nothing special.
 
Braves1976 said:
They got him for almost nothing, maybe just cash too. I am not sure why we didn't get him before the trade deadline. I am guessing the Royals claimed him on waivers before working out the deal. Good move by them.
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Because he's horrible.

Edit: He's fast, sorry.....horrible and fast.
 
Heyward said:
No, Pastor can play 2nd, short, 3rd and some outfield if needed.

Same as Bonafacio.

He's a decent player but nothing special.
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Everyone knows Pastornicky is awful at short. Plus he's only played one game at third which I covered recently. He's also yet to play a full game in the outfield. So what you say is hardly an accurate comp.
 
BRule said:
Because he's horrible.

Edit: He's fast, sorry.....horrible and fast.
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He's having a bad year in the AL after being an NL player. That's not a big surprise.

Again, I recall hearing the same about Pena before he came here. Some players just fit or do better in the NL than the AL.
 
Braves1976 said:
Everyone knows Pastornicky is awful at short. Plus he's only played one game at third which I covered recently. He's also yet to play a full game in the outfield. So what you say is hardly an accurate comp.
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Whatever, Bonafacio sucks, why people think he's so awesome, I have no idea.

Not a big deal not trading for him.
 
Braves1976 said:
Fixed, just going back to before the season at scout for ya. :happy0157:

That said, no one wanted him as a starter. We just wanted him to replace Janish on the bench, that's all.
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But Bonofacio has a really long track record or terribleness. Both in the NL and AL.

Pena had a small sample, but I'd still be happy to wager that we have seen the best of Pena.
 
sturg33 said:
But Bonofacio has a really long track record or terribleness. Both in the NL and AL.

Pena had a small sample, but I'd still be happy to wager that we have seen the best of Pena.
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Bonafacio is still a career .261 hitter overall even with having a bad year in the AL. Plus he plays a lot of positions, switch hits, and steal a lot of bases without getting caught much. Further, I don't recall anyone suggesting him (at least not recently) to start for us. He was suggested only for a bench option to replace Janish.

That said, there won't be a lot to choose from during the waiver period to replace Janish.
 
Heyward said:
what is so good about Bonafacio that we don't have in TP?
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No one said he was anything special, certainly not me. But he's not a bad bench option and upgrade to Janish with the bat. Further, I already explained the differences between him and Pastornicky. Besides, Pastornicky is now our starter at second for possibly the next three or four weeks (depending on how fast Uggla comes back). So he's not really a bench back-up player a la Janish at this point.
 
Braves1976 said:
He's having a bad year in the AL after being an NL player. That's not a big surprise.

Again, I recall hearing the same about Pena before he came here. Some players just fit or do better in the NL than the AL.
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Why do people keep saying this?

He had 1 semi ok year in Miami, 2011. He was horrible last year, he sucked in 2009 and only played in 70 games in 2010.

His wRC+ while in the NL: 61, 75, 109, 79....in other words....he was really, really, really bad.

He's a 260 hitter, with Francoeur like OBP skills and a 650 OPS for his career....OH...AND....he's a horrid defender (NEGATIVE 15 for his career)
 
BRule said:
Why do people keep saying this?

He had 1 semi ok year in Miami, 2011. He was horrible last year, he sucked in 2009 and only played in 70 games in 2010.

His wRC+ while in the NL: 61, 75, 109, 79....in other words....he was really, really, really bad.

He's a 260 hitter, with Francoeur like OBP skills and a 650 OPS for his career....OH...AND....he's a horrid defender (NEGATIVE 15 for his career)
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Wow, I see y'all like drama in your debates (even over a suggestion to replace Janish on the bench).

If you're going to point out that Bonafacio is -15 DRS for his career, you should point out that this is at six different positions (and that he's actually has a 6 DRS this year at second and 1 DRS at third for his career). Plus while in the negative for his career much of that is at two of six different positions. It's also not as bad as you say, Uggla is -15 DRS just for this year alone at one position!
 
Braves1976 said:
Wow, I see y'all like drama in your debates (even over a suggestion to replace Janish on the bench).

If you're going to point out that Bonafacio is -15 DRS for his career, you should point out that this is at six different positions (and that he's actually has a 6 DRS this year at second and 1 DRS at third for his career). Plus while in the negative for his career much of that is at two of six different positions. It's also not as bad as you say, Uggla is -15 DRS just for this year alone at one position!
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There's no drama, just showing facts that Boni isn't a good player and not worth trading for. He does ONE thing well, run, we have Constanza or Schafer for that.
 
Did I hear right today? The Dodgers' current stretch of winning is the best since the 1951 Giants? Either they're gonna stay this way and win the WS, or they're going to really come crashing back down to Earth.
 
Braves1976 said:
Wow, I see y'all like drama in your debates (even over a suggestion to replace Janish on the bench).

If you're going to point out that Bonafacio is -15 DRS for his career, you should point out that this is at six different positions (and that he's actually has a 6 DRS this year at second and 1 DRS at third for his career). Plus while in the negative for his career much of that is at two of six different positions. It's also not as bad as you say, Uggla is -15 DRS just for this year alone at one position!
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I don't see any drama here at all... just facts... sorry dude, Bonafacio sucks and its pretty clear. I don't want him anywhere near our team.
 
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