Rosy but Not Unrealistic Scenario For 2017

clvclv said:
Awww come on now. Some folks around here have guaranteed us that the Braves will never spend money on "Aces" or take on contracts like that, so you just KNOW you're wasting your time and will be called an idiot for proposing such rubbish - don't you?!?!?
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Never say never, but I think the philosophy is to stay away from those kinds of risky contracts. Here's a quote from JC earlier this year:

“We need to stay disciplined in what we’re doing,” he said. “I talked about this at (Saturday’s) Fan Fest: It feels good to sign a free agent. It felt good to sign Derek Lowe, and he won 15 games his first year. But it ended up being a bad contract … What I value — what I’ve learned through things that happened under our previous administration — is flexibility and options. The more young players we have, the more flexibility and options we have. The less long-term commitments that are somewhat questionable, the more flexibility and options we have.”
 
clvclv said:
Thanks!!! Glad to know you're a genius!!! Maybe you should be running a team with your incomparable knowledge.

When he accepts like Wieters did and completely locks them up financially, I'm sure they'll be glad to know you thought it was a great idea as well.
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The Pirates would be giddy with glee if Cervelli accepted a one year deal. That's more or less the best possible outcome for them.
 
clvclv said:
If I'm so clueless, why not ignore me? Would save you huge chunks of your day. Unlike many of the fairweather fans around here, I'm going nowhere - sorry.
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I didn't suggest you go anywhere. I suggested you stop chiming in on topics about the financial aspect of building a ball club because you have consistently shown you have almost zero idea what you're talking about. Everything else you contribute and write about is very interesting and insightful.
 
nsacpi said:
Never say never, but I think the philosophy is to stay away from those kinds of risky contracts. Here's a quote from JC earlier this year:

“We need to stay disciplined in what we’re doing,” he said. “I talked about this at (Saturday’s) Fan Fest: It feels good to sign a free agent. It felt good to sign Derek Lowe, and he won 15 games his first year. But it ended up being a bad contract … What I value — what I’ve learned through things that happened under our previous administration — is flexibility and options. The more young players we have, the more flexibility and options we have. The less long-term commitments that are somewhat questionable, the more flexibility and options we have.”
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I will gladly say never to a player like Strasburg. The Braves will never, ever, sign a player at the top of the FA market, especially not a pitcher. Never.

Any pitcher the Braves add via FA will be like the deal Lackey signed this offseason. Limited risk on a MOR guy to fill in between the homegrown pitchers.

I could someday see a slight possibility of the Braves signing a premium young position player like Machado, who plays a position of need in the organization, but that is an extreme long shot. More likely we will continue to see position players along the lines of Markakis being signed...average or better MLB players that will not cost a draft pick.

As it should be. A team with a $120M payroll has no business committing $30M per year to one guy for a decade.

They should follow the Rays plan of continuing to bring up young talent to fill the majority of roster, extending that talent by buying out 1-2 FA years when it makes sense, flipping expiring assets for more young talent, and filling in with bargain FAs when the pipeline fails to fill a hole on the roster. The difference with the Braves is they should be able to fill in with average MLB talent rather than scraping the bottom of the barrel for FA talent like the Rays are forced to do.
 
clvclv said:
Awww come on now. Some folks around here have guaranteed us that the Braves will never spend money on "Aces" or take on contracts like that, so you just KNOW you're wasting your time and will be called an idiot for proposing such rubbish - don't you?!?!?
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I;m used to it. I remember being laughed at for saying Scott Thorman couldnt hit. Strasburg is a pipe dream because of the years he will want. Anything beyond 6 years should be a deal breaker. Braun works out perfectly because he is only guaranteed 4 more years with a relatively cheap option for a 5th year. It makes too much sense not to happen if they are serious about trading Braun.

nsacpi said:
Never say never, but I think the philosophy is to stay away from those kinds of risky contracts. Here's a quote from JC earlier this year:

“We need to stay disciplined in what we’re doing,” he said. “I talked about this at (Saturday’s) Fan Fest: It feels good to sign a free agent. It felt good to sign Derek Lowe, and he won 15 games his first year. But it ended up being a bad contract … What I value — what I’ve learned through things that happened under our previous administration — is flexibility and options. The more young players we have, the more flexibility and options we have. The less long-term commitments that are somewhat questionable, the more flexibility and options we have.”
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He must live in fantasy world if thats how he remembers the Derek Lowe contract. It was met with universal derision by Braves fans. I personally dont want anyone in the Braves front office who said "Wow this is such a great signing" when they signed Derek Lowe. In fact I want them escorted out of the building and have their picture posted with security to keep them as far away from any decision making as possible.
 
clvclv said:
Awww come on now. Some folks around here have guaranteed us that the Braves will never spend money on "Aces" or take on contracts like that, so you just KNOW you're wasting your time and will be called an idiot for proposing such rubbish - don't you?!?!?
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Again you use a false equivalency, no surprise. And again, you show a complete and utter lack of understanding about a financial aspect of running a MLB team. No surprise there either.

The Braves will not be signing Strasburg, or any other FA, for a contract in the neighborhood of $200M-$250M+ (where Strasburg's deal will undoubtedly land). At least that half of your statement is correct.

However, Braun isn't owed anywhere near that much money. He is owed either 4/80 or 5/91 depending on whether or not his 2021 option is picked up. That contract is absolutely affordable for the Braves, and he is the exact type of player with the exact type of contract they could realistically trade for.
 
Enscheff said:
Again you use a false equivalency, no surprise. And again, you show a complete and utter lack of understanding about a financial aspect of running a MLB team. No surprise there either.

The Braves will not be signing Strasburg, or any other FA, for a contract in the neighborhood of $200M-$250M+ (where Strasburg's deal will undoubtedly land). At least that half of your statement is correct.

However, Braun isn't owed anywhere near that much money. He is owed either 4/80 or 5/91 depending on whether or not his 2021 option is picked up. That contract is absolutely affordable for the Braves, and he is the exact type of player with the exact type of contract they could realistically trade for.
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And again, I don't give a **** about your opinion.

**** off prick.
 
JohnAdcox said:
C'mon, now. You're better than that. First paragraph aside, there were some good points. As for that first paragraph ... really? C'mon now.
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What makes you think he's better than that? His track record is mounting up against that idea IMO.
 
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