And we trade them for someone in jail. The return should of been so much better then what we got. That is the point.
Shelby Miller deal revisited
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And we trade them for someone in jail. The return should of been so much better then what we got. That is the point.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Im not saying the trade was good, but not like we traded Arrieta.
nobody has ever said that either. your the one who makes that argument
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
He tends to use extreme examples that way. What is funny to me is that he will make arguments and then also disagree with either the exact same or similar arguments when someone else makes them (and like above will use extreme examples to do so). I am not sure if it's just because he feels the need to play both sides as if playing devils advocate or if he just doesn't want to be seen as being negative, etc. But it seems rather double minded.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Not quite, lot of people said Wood was a 1-2, and i said he's a 3-4 type and got bashed for it, so not really.
I doubt a lot of people called him a #1. He simply didn't go deep enough in games to warrant any consideration like that. However as a Brave he did perform as a 2/3. That is a statistical fact. Not so much with the Dodgers though.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Wood is a 3-4 type? Since 2013 he's 57th in fWAR, just behind guys like Gallardo and Santana. This year his fWAR is just behind Julio and Scherzer, and ahead of guys like Hamels and Shields
Wood is a 2-3 type. I was all for trading wood because of health concerns, at some point he's gonna get wrecked, but there's no ****ing way does it make sense to trade him for an old prospect.
And Peraza is not a utility type, he's a light hitting MIF. By all reports his defense is excellent. Would you also call Albies a utility type?
Woah woah woah. Peraza's and Albies' bats are not equal. They both have a lack of HR power in common, but that is where the comparisons end offensively.
The Shelby Miller deal is an A+ and the Olivera deal is an F-
I probably weight the Miller deal a little more heavily because we still might salvage something from the draft pick but these two deals somewhat cancel each other out.
Wood as a young MOR type starter with years of cheap control had a ton of value, what he becomes with the LAD is irrelevant.
We completely squandered that value (and that of JP). As strong as our system is right now, we could have had another 2 or 3 really good pieces. We could have the answer at C or 3B if we had parlayed Wood correctly.
Instead we are left with a bad baseball player owed a lot of money who also hits women, a marginal prospect who is underperforming, a RP coming off injury and a decent draft pick. F-
I probably weight the Miller deal a little more heavily because we still might salvage something from the draft pick but these two deals somewhat cancel each other out.
Wood as a young MOR type starter with years of cheap control had a ton of value, what he becomes with the LAD is irrelevant.
We completely squandered that value (and that of JP). As strong as our system is right now, we could have had another 2 or 3 really good pieces. We could have the answer at C or 3B if we had parlayed Wood correctly.
Instead we are left with a bad baseball player owed a lot of money who also hits women, a marginal prospect who is underperforming, a RP coming off injury and a decent draft pick. F-
Oklahomabrave
Anytime Now Frankie...
Wish we could have traded wood and Peraza straight up for Austin Barnes and the draft pick.
No, they do not cancel each other out. Yes, we could have gotten more for Wood and Peraza. Everyone agrees it was a bad trade. But we still came out ahead between them. I'll take Swanson, Inciarte, Blair, and a draft pick over Miller, Wood, and Peraza. Every day.
That's pretty much what a 2-3 designation is. #2 ability but innings of a #3. His stats while in Atlanta were #2 worthy but not going deep into games held him back from being that valuable.
My point is you don't really know that because you don't know what type of return we could have gotten for Wood+Peraza.
NOBODY thought we could get the deal we got for Miller. I don't think it's impossible that we could have gotten an overpay for Wood+Peraza as well.
Technically you're right, but nobody was going to fall in love with either of those guys like the D-Backs did with Miller. And I'd like to think we at least shopped them a little before pulling the trigger on that deal.
I bet the Dodgers didn't think anybody was going to fall in love with Hector like the Braves did either.
chop2chip
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Well, let's remember who fell in love with him first.
The thing that sucks is LA probably doesn't make that trade if Justin Turner wasn't awesome last year.