- STARTS TODAY AT 7PM - 2016 June Amateur Draft Discussion

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CJ9 said:
Keith Law said on Buster Olney's podcast that if it goes Puk-Lewis at the top like he expects, we'd decide between Groome and Ray. He says our scouting department has been in love with Groome since the fall, but Coppy likely wants a college bat. He said it could be an interesting draft room discussion.
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If Coppy forces them to take a lower upside college bat like Corey Ray, then he runs the risk of running off some good scouts similar to what Frank Wren did.
 
CJ9 said:
Keith Law said on Buster Olney's podcast that if it goes Puk-Lewis at the top like he expects, we'd decide between Groome and Ray. He says our scouting department has been in love with Groome since the fall, but Coppy likely wants a college bat. He said it could be an interesting draft room discussion.
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Coppolella is Italian for "Wren"?
 
KB21 said:
If Coppy forces them to take a lower upside college bat like Corey Ray, then he runs the risk of running off some good scouts similar to what Frank Wren did.
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If our scouts can't handle disagreement, then they deserve to be ran off. Wren wasn't (allegedly) ran off because he disagreed with anyone; it was because he didn't (allegedly) treat differing opinions with respect.
 
Braves should pick BPA and not for need. Getting a top college bat that's not BPA would be going for need since our major league offense is horrible. I think this is what happened with the HO trade. We tried to trade for need and incorrectly thought HO could hit.
 
thewupk said:
Braves should pick BPA and not for need. Getting a top college bat that's not BPA would be going for need since our major league offense is horrible. I think this is what happened with the HO trade. We tried to trade for need and incorrectly thought HO could hit.
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This. All day every day.

You take the BPA, especially when you have the opportunity to pick that high in the draft.

Besides the idea that we don't have a need for a potential ace type pitcher in 4-5 years is silly -- if we pick Groome and he pans out -- we aren't going to be able to find a rotation spot for a lefty with that type of stuff? Isn't a top of the rotation starter ALWAYS a need?
 
thewupk said:
Braves should pick BPA and not for need. Getting a top college bat that's not BPA would be going for need since our major league offense is horrible. I think this is what happened with the HO trade. We tried to trade for need and incorrectly thought HO could hit.
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That's assuming BPA has risked baked into it. I totally understand favoring Ray over Groome from a projection stand point. It's really really really ballsy to take a high school pitcher this high and it's not like Ray is some sort of crazy reach. A lot of people really like him.

I do agree though that if they pick Ray simply because they need someone close to the majors it would be extremely shortsighted. At the very least, if Groome comes in next season and pitches well in the minors, he's instantly a blue chip trade piece which provides you with the same short term satisfaction that college bat would.
 
FWIW, I had a former scout for the Brewers tell me that he would take Corey Ray over Kyle Lewis. When I asked him why, he asked me if I remembered Bryce Brentz?
 
KB21 said:
If Coppy forces them to take a lower upside college bat like Corey Ray, then he runs the risk of running off some good scouts similar to what Frank Wren did.
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Frank Wren didn't do that, John Schuerholz did. He was one of the forces behind the revision of the draft system and was head of the committee to do so. He would not allow the team to pay over slot for any players during his regime. So FW was forced to take players based on signability.
 
bravos4evr said:
Frank Wren didn't do that, John Schuerholz did. He was one of the forces behind the revision of the draft system and was head of the committee to do so. He would not allow the team to pay over slot for any players during his regime. So FW was forced to take players based on signability.
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Yeah. That's why they have completely changed course and gone back to the way they did things under Paul Snyder/Roy Clark.
 
thewupk said:
Braves should pick BPA and not for need. Getting a top college bat that's not BPA would be going for need since our major league offense is horrible. I think this is what happened with the HO trade. We tried to trade for need and incorrectly thought HO could hit.
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Agree with the principle of BPA since the draft is not a direct conduit to the ML like the NFL draft.

The fact that the Braves have no significant power threats anywhere near in the minors AND that you can't expect quick help through the draft or from International FA (unless you sign a masher from Asia or a true FA from Cuba that actually pans out) is why I continue to advocate trading from the available leftover valuable major league talent to acquire multiple near minor league bats who will fill a number of future holes.
 
bravos4evr said:
Frank Wren didn't do that, John Schuerholz did. He was one of the forces behind the revision of the draft system and was head of the committee to do so. He would not allow the team to pay over slot for any players during his regime. So FW was forced to take players based on signability.
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It's still boils down to the guys you select whether or not they will sign for slot and there were a number of higher ceiling guys that could have been selected than the guys that were chosen. It didn't help that when they went ceiling during the Wren regime, they usually missed. And the pool limits were put in place in 2012 and Wren/Demacio had a few drafts before that so either JS was holding the purse or there was some other reason we went for floor over ceiling.
 
For me it's Groome and Lewis, then everybody else.

But as I've said before, with all the names that have been thrown around, I'll talk myself into just about anybody, especially if we're able to add legit talent later as well.

Ray, Senzel, Pint, Puk, Moniak...they're all really good talents and bring good things to the table. I just see them all as either lower-ceiling types or more risk than I would like at 3.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Agree with the principle of BPA since the draft is not a direct conduit to the ML like the NFL draft.
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I'm on board with not drafting for need, but I'm also not fully bought into the BPA route in the context of this draft format. I think Groome very will could be the top talent in this draft, but I'm nervous about his bonus demands. If the #2 guy on our board is a close second and the bonus is a couple million less, I'd very much prefer the #2 guy. That extra slot $ is likely to make a big difference on what we can do at 40 and or 44.
 
For those who would draft for perceived need (hitter) over BPA, I have two words.

Joey Devine.

But Lewis or Moniak are guys who I could feel comfortable with, if the next four guys project well.
 
rico43 said:
For those who would draft for perceived need (hitter) over BPA, I have two words.

Joey Devine.

But Lewis or Moniak are guys who I could feel comfortable with, if the next four guys project well.
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I agree. Joey Devine was a case of the Braves deviating from their philosophy to draft a guy they felt would move fast to help a struggling bullpen. They probably moved him too fast.
 
dak said:
I'm on board with not drafting for need, but I'm also not fully bought into the BPA route in the context of this draft format. I think Groome very will could be the top talent in this draft, but I'm nervous about his bonus demands. If the #2 guy on our board is a close second and the bonus is a couple million less, I'd very much prefer the #2 guy. That extra slot $ is likely to make a big difference on what we can do at 40 and or 44.
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I would change the description from best player available to highest upside talent available. Everything is going to be relative though.

I'll be honest. My top two would probably be Jason Groome and Riley Pint, and then Kyle Lewis, Mickey Moniak....
 
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