So given his AAV of 23 million you don't think Heyward is worth 17 million for his offense alone? Given that he's regularly worth 3 WAR just for his offense that seems like a good deal in todays market.
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So given his AAV of 23 million you don't think Heyward is worth 17 million for his offense alone? Given that he's regularly worth 3 WAR just for his offense that seems like a good deal in todays market.
Given that defense tends to regress and he's slumping badly - who knows?
Not everyone stays the same - especially after a huge contract.
I hate this argument I really do, because it feels like politics - I somehow have to either love Heyward or I get an idiot like Sturg who responds with 'Heyward must have raped your dog'.
I've never had an issue with Jason, I think he's very good, I also tend to think his defense gets a little overvalued and he's probably overpaid.
Does that mean I hate him? No. Would the Braves be better with him? Yes. Do I think it was the right move to trade him? Absolutely. Am I rooting against him? No.
I think if you're the Cubs you probably anticipated more production than you've gotten, a slow start is one thing; two months is worrisome. That being said they've been fine and he could easily turn it around.
Hate what argument? I'm just trying to get an understanding from the people who think Heyward is overpaid and that his defense is overrated. It's okay to feel that way. I would just like your reasoning. I get the trade and it was a great move considering the direction the team was going in.
sturg33
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The same people who defend the Markakis contract are the one's ragging on the Heyward contract... which is funny - because basically no matter how you slice it, the Heyward contract was much more favorable than the Markakis contract.
I guess the only difference is the all-knowing Johns signed markakis so it was a great move
Those that actually believe that are delusional and I know that they exist.
If you aren't responding to me; why did you quote my post?
I took it as a response to my comment, either way shouldn't have used a personal attack, thats my fault.
sturg33
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I was responding to your comment which seemed like a defense of clv... and clv has been a hater of Heyward since the trade was made (cue him coming in to explain how he's not)
got it.... like I said - my bad, uncalled for.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Peraza was one of three players going to the Reds. Your argument would be stronger if he was the only guy heading out of LA. Schebler has spent more time in the majors this season than Peraza and Brandon Dixon is ripping up the Florida State League. Peraza is extremely young and if anything I've said makes you think I see him as doomed, you're mistaken. My only point--and I think it's a pretty good one--is that Peraza is starting to look like a one-tool (speed) guy who is going to have to sport a high average to fulfill his early promise.
His personal attacks are saved for me, don't worry. He doesn't bother to read what I post before firing them off, and what really bothers him is that I could care less.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Who is rooting against him? Who is happy about Wood's injury?
You live in an alternate reality.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
It's hilarious. the same people who say "OH HEYWARD DOESN'T HAVE 40 HOMERS ALREADY THIS YEAR SO HE SUCKS RIGHT??" are the same people who get upset if you don't consider him an elite player.
I really like Heyward as a player. Always have. I don't think he's an elite player, and especially not an elite hitter. So many here, including sturg, harp on the team/system not having any elite or power hitters. Heyward is neither of those things, yet we're called h8ers when we didn't wanna sink $23M a year into him. It doesn't really make sense.
I have to think he's elite or I "hate" him and he "must of raped my dog" (what the **** kinda person says some weird **** like that, anyway)?
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
well, IMO the real argument is do you think it would have been a better use of financial resources to keep a potential 6 WAR player at age 26 for 4+ years or to spend $11m a year on a 32 year old guy with a ceiling of 2 WAR who is in decline? (not counting the trade return Heyward ended up delivering to us long term which nobody could have predicted)
a pretty good case can be made that keeping Heyward and paying him would have provided more production per $ than Markakis. Or even choosing heyward and trading Freeman.
That's a bit of a ridiculous choice; the two aren't really connected. The only real discussion is - should we have resigned Heyward at that amount or traded him - and based on what we ended up getting; we made the right call.
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
no it isn't at all. if they choose to keep Heyward, they have to pay him and thus would not have had to go outside the org to pay someone else. They made a choice to let him go KNOWING they would have to find someone to man RF for a few years. They had to have had discussions on who that might be and decided that one of the players from that small group could provide adequate value when combined with the trade return. Sure one could say "one year of Miller + Neck was worth Heyward" but it really wasn't. There is no way that they could have figured on the HUGE return Miller brought later into the equation.
Not to mention they could have offered the better player the huge extension instead of freeman and traded him for value instead.
I am almost certain that the Braves checked out the possibilities of Heyward accepting an extension offer before making the decision. The fact that they didn't make a formal offer was not because they decided they didn't want him. It was because his camp let them know that they intended to pursue the open market.... Posturing and public statements notwithstanding.
It was never 'one-year of Miller' it was acquiring a valuable asset for the long-haul and then either keeping that asset or flipping it for more value.
You can say they couldn't have expected the windfall they received from the Diamondbacks, but they were the ones that put themselves in the position to take advantage of a bad GM by dealing Heyward and acquiring Miller.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I didn't have you in mind but the fact is this "For the Reds, the centerpiece of the deal is Peraza" according to MLBTR, etc. How Peraza is performing now and how others are now is beside the point.