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This probably doesn't mean much, but since 1985, the Braves have had 5 picks that were in the top 5 of the draft. Of those 5 picks, they took three bats and two pitchers.

Of the three bats, two were prep bats. Both pitchers were prep pitchers and were left handed (Kent Merker and Steve Avery).

The three bats were Mike Kelly, Chipper Jones, and Tyler Houston.
 
KB21 said:
This probably doesn't mean much, but since 1985, the Braves have had 5 picks that were in the top 5 of the draft. Of those 5 picks, they took three bats and two pitchers.

Of the three bats, two were prep bats. Both pitchers were prep pitchers and were left handed (Kent Merker and Steve Avery).

The three bats were Mike Kelly, Chipper Jones, and Tyler Houston.
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One HoF bat, one long time ML useful piece, one bust. Pitching is two pretty good ML guys who struggled with injury.
 
I would also hope that scouting all-around has improved since Kelly and Houston, so our chances of having a successful pick increase.
 
I don't see the hate for Ray. Klaw is a upside guy and he has Ray number one on his board. I'm ok with him being a corner if he can really hit. The mets got confronto bc he slipped for being a corner, we need corner of.

It sounds like there are a lot of guys who are close. So we may go with the guy who will sign for less to play the salary game.

I just don't think theres any reliable scout in this draft who can tell you this guy is going to make it. There is no machado or Harper obvious guy per everyone. So I don't get why some are so set for or against any of these guys.

Trust our staff. If they mess up the top 5 pick this year and or next year they'll get fired
 
KB21 said:
OK. So the comp the former scout gave me for Corey Ray is Jackie Bradley Jr.
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I certainly hope he was comparing their bats. If he's talking defense, he'd be the first (and only) person I've heard do that - Bradley is widely considered one of the best defensive OFs out there and can flat go get it. Ray's not even the best defensive OF at Louisville.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I don't see the hate for Ray. Klaw is a upside guy and he has Ray number one on his board. I'm ok with him being a corner if he can really hit. The mets got confronto bc he slipped for being a corner, we need corner of.
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Totally with you. I'd be happy with Ray at 3.
 
I don't see why you would draft anything other than BPA, it's not like football where all you need is one qb, and draft for that hole.

A bat can play lots of places and you need 12 or thirteen arms to compete. Soo... I don't get drafting for need at all. We need bats, but it isn't like a top flight pitcher is a strength either.
 
Tapate50 said:
I don't see why you would draft anything other than BPA, it's not like football where all you need is one qb, and draft for that hole.

A bat can play lots of places and you need 12 or thirteen arms to compete. Soo... I don't get drafting for need at all. We need bats, but it isn't like a top flight pitcher is a strength either.
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The rule of thumb used to be you need ten pitching prospects to produce one productive big league pitcher due to the relatively higher injury rate for pitchers, so we are going to draft pitchers. What we do with our higher picks will be interesting. We clearly need bats in the system and my guess is with the first three picks, we will see a couple. High school or college, I don't know. I'm guessing they will also take a couple of high floor college hitters on the second day.
 
clvclv said:
I certainly hope he was comparing their bats. If he's talking defense, he'd be the first (and only) person I've heard do that - Bradley is widely considered one of the best defensive OFs out there and can flat go get it. Ray's not even the best defensive OF at Louisville.
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Well, he said Corey Ray and Jackie Bradley Jr have similar tools.
 
Coach_Chris said:
This is why you go BPA (best player available) not based on need now. You do not know the need in the future.
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We've all been saying BPA. I never said not to.

We NEED a 2 corner OF IMO. That doesn't mean Id use the draft to fix that hole.

But if you have two guys with equal grades, then I'd consider going with the hitter. B/c we have a need for hitters.

The caveat to BPA is if the Braves have some scheme where they can get Groome at slot or over + 2 players in the 40s or can get a Ray at below slot and then improve their player in the 40s. It's not as simple as the NFL draft IMO.
 
KB21 said:
I agree. Joey Devine was a case of the Braves deviating from their philosophy to draft a guy they felt would move fast to help a struggling bullpen. They probably moved him too fast.
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I liked Devine and his talent. I don't think you draft a RP that high. And I think if they don't rush him he might be better. Mental more than physical issue IMO after the playoff game.
 
Tapate50 said:
I don't see why you would draft anything other than BPA, it's not like football where all you need is one qb, and draft for that hole.

A bat can play lots of places and you need 12 or thirteen arms to compete. Soo... I don't get drafting for need at all. We need bats, but it isn't like a top flight pitcher is a strength either.
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I think the point being made is that if you have two very similarly graded players, you can lean towards the one that fits more of a "need" than one that doesn't as much. if a pitcher is above and beyond the next guy on your board, you take him 100% of the time.
 
OK, so if there are scouts that feel Corey Ray has similar tools to Jackie Bradley Jr, I can be convinced.

Since the 2nd half of last season started, Jackie Bradley Jr. has put up a slash line of .298/.378/.569 with 18 HR, 30 2B, 8 3B, and 78 RBI in around 423 PAs. He made some adjustments prior to his bat heating up, and to this point, those adjustments appear to have stimulated growth in his game. If that is Corey Ray's upside, then yes. I would take that with the 3rd pick.
 
Don't really know where to put this, but a top prospect from last year's draft--RHP Donny Everett--who turned down a $2.5 million deal from the Brewers to attend Vanderbilt died in a drowning accident. Tragic indeed.
 
KB21 said:
OK, so if there are scouts that feel Corey Ray has similar tools to Jackie Bradley Jr, I can be convinced.

Since the 2nd half of last season started, Jackie Bradley Jr. has put up a slash line of .298/.378/.569 with 18 HR, 30 2B, 8 3B, and 78 RBI in around 423 PAs. He made some adjustments prior to his bat heating up, and to this point, those adjustments appear to have stimulated growth in his game. If that is Corey Ray's upside, then yes. I would take that with the 3rd pick.
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Klaw has him 1. And says this:
1. Corey Ray, OF
Louisville
Previous rank: 1

Although Ray could slip out of the top five, I still think he's the best all-around player in the draft class, a power-speed guy who has a good idea of the strike zone and plenty of bat speed, giving him a high floor of an everyday left fielder.

I like power and speed and plate discipline.

Let's assume the braves have a similar board but Groome at 1 and Ray at 2. Or even Ray at 3-5. The braves do have to consider how big of a difference there is between 1-5 and the cost of each player.

I guess I'm saying if Ray is the pick it does't mean the Braves are drafting for need or for low floor......necessarily. They may think Ray is BPA (insiders can't agree if we like Groome or Pint better). They may think there is no difference between Ray, Lewis, Puk, etc. They may think that Groome is BPA and then draft Ray as part of an overall draft strategy (spend more money later).

I have no data for this but I recall Klaw being a big supporter of Coppy when Wren was there up to now. They seem to be in step with a lot of opinions based on our trades and Klaw's write ups. And McDaniel and Klaw seem to be similar in approach. Klaw has Ray at 1 and Lewis at 8. Maybe the Braves feel the same way.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Klaw has him 1. And says this:
1. Corey Ray, OF
Louisville
Previous rank: 1

Although Ray could slip out of the top five, I still think he's the best all-around player in the draft class, a power-speed guy who has a good idea of the strike zone and plenty of bat speed, giving him a high floor of an everyday left fielder.

I like power and speed and plate discipline.

Let's assume the braves have a similar board but Groome at 1 and Ray at 2. Or even Ray at 3-5. The braves do have to consider how big of a difference there is between 1-5 and the cost of each player.

I guess I'm saying if Ray is the pick it does't mean the Braves are drafting for need or for low floor......necessarily. They may think Ray is BPA (insiders can't agree if we like Groome or Pint better). They may think there is no difference between Ray, Lewis, Puk, etc. They may think that Groome is BPA and then draft Ray as part of an overall draft strategy (spend more money later).

I have no data for this but I recall Klaw being a big supporter of Coppy when Wren was there up to now. They seem to be in step with a lot of opinions based on our trades and Klaw's write ups. And McDaniel and Klaw seem to be similar in approach. Klaw has Ray at 1 and Lewis at 8. Maybe the Braves feel the same way.
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This is always the problem with drafting near the top (being bad and having to draft near the top is also a problem), but it seems you would draft Lewis on projection and Ray or Senzel on production. Of these three, Ray seems to be the "middle" guy in that his ceiling is higher than Senzel's and his floor is higher than Lewis'. As long as the logic is there, I'll be fine with the pick (unless it's something way outside the box). I don't see how a team can pass on Groome if he's there at #3.
 
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