AJ Minter

nsacpi said:
Wonder if they will look at him as a starter next year.
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I thought Minter was drafted to be fast tracked as a pen guy... once healthy

I was just looking back at the 2015 draft and noticed our 6th (#86) pick Anthony Guardado has pitched only 1 inning 7/3/2015.. He was a stretch pick, I understand that... but anyone know anything about him.. like what happened to him... it is like he disappeared. Very strange for a higher up pick like that..
 
nsacpi said:
Wonder if they will look at him as a starter next year.
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I thought I read somewhere he's a reliever all the way. I know he started in college, but I'm not sure he ever really developed a 3rd pitch.

Considering how successful he looks in this role and the amount of starters we have in the minors -- I think they probably let him develop as a potential high-leverage reliever.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I thought Minter was drafted to be fast tracked as a pen guy... once healthy

I was just looking back at the 2015 draft and noticed our 6th (#86) pick Anthony Guardado has pitched only 1 inning 7/3/2015.. He was a stretch pick, I understand that... but anyone know anything about him.. like what happened to him... it is like he disappeared. Very strange for a higher up pick like that..
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Shut down after shoulder issues.
 
Preacher said:
I thought I read somewhere he's a reliever all the way. I know he started in college, but I'm not sure he ever really developed a 3rd pitch.

Considering how successful he looks in this role and the amount of starters we have in the minors -- I think they probably let him develop as a potential high-leverage reliever.
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We don't have a surplus of starters.
 
Preacher said:
Combined stats from Rome/Carolina:

12 IP, 0.00 ERA, 4 BB, 13 SO, .098 BAA, 9.75 K/9, 3.00 BB/9

Straight dealing this year, gotta imagine he's in AA before too long.
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JMO, but I can't imagine they'll be very aggressive with him - likely on a pretty short IP limit.
 
Preacher said:
we disagree.
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Not to start a fuss, but no one can ever have a surplus of SPs IMO. If you look really closely...

1.) Julio's a #2 who's at the top of our rotation and may be traded.

2.) Wisler appeared to have turned the corner, but has suddenly started to look like he's still got a long way to go to be a solid #3.

3.) Folty's got the stuff to be a #1 or #2 and looked as if he was turning the corner, but he's also beginning to look like he could be injury-prone and won't get there - at least not consistently.

4.) Perez' current malady is his shoulder - I cringe personally whenever I hear "Pitcher" and "shoulder" in the same sentence.

5.) For some reason that still escapes me it appears that they've given up on Jenkins as a starter.

6.) Norris might be riding the hottest 2 start streak of his career and could implode at any time.

7.) Gant's absolute ceiling is as a #3, and he's got a long way to go to get there - yet.

8.) Everyone else still has a LONG way to go to be able to say that they're legitimate rotation pieces, and the highest-ceiling guys are all really struggling with both command and control - other than Povse (who's cooled off now), none of them have cobbled together more than 2-3 good starts in a row.

There's no doubt we have a lot of talent, but turning talent into finished products is always the hardest step.
 
Yeah, I'm with sacpi on this one. We have a lot of prospects, but that's a long way from saying we have a surplus of SPs.
 
clvclv said:
Not to start a fuss, but no one can ever have a surplus of SPs IMO. If you look really closely...

1.) Julio's a #2 who's at the top of our rotation and may be traded.

2.) Wisler appeared to have turned the corner, but has suddenly started to look like he's still got a long way to go to be a solid #3.

3.) Folty's got the stuff to be a #1 or #2 and looked as if he was turning the corner, but he's also beginning to look like he could be injury-prone and won't get there - at least not consistently.

4.) Perez' current malady is his shoulder - I cringe personally whenever I hear "Pitcher" and "shoulder" in the same sentence.

5.) For some reason that still escapes me it appears that they've given up on Jenkins as a starter.

6.) Norris might be riding the hottest 2 start streak of his career and could implode at any time.

7.) Gant's absolute ceiling is as a #3, and he's got a long way to go to get there - yet.

8.) Everyone else still has a LONG way to go to be able to say that they're legitimate rotation pieces, and the highest-ceiling guys are all really struggling with both command and control - other than Povse (who's cooled off now), none of them have cobbled together more than 2-3 good starts in a row.

There's no doubt we have a lot of talent, but turning talent into finished products is always the hardest step.
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1. may be traded
2. young pitchers struggle. this might be a simple case of Wisler adjusting to hitters adjusting
3. no structural damage.
4. Perez is depth, not dependent upon.
5. Jenkins could always be pushed in to starting again
6. Norris is trade fodder..
7. Gant is a rookie.. hopefully with doing a job consistently, he will show what he has. He pitched like a #2 in the minors as a starter.
8. Blair, Ellis and Whalen are all ready and don't have much else to prove in the minors. How good they will be is up for debate. Our true pitching depth is A+ and lower... Newcomb and Sims are still young but close to being ready.
9. The fact that I could name 10 names worth mentioning, means there is depth.
 
Julio3000 said:
Yeah, I'm with sacpi on this one. We have a lot of prospects, but that's a long way from saying we have a surplus of SPs.
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I would never say you have too much pitching so don't get another pitcher... But we have pitching depth.. we have elite pitching depth (prospects)... But would I want more... Hell yes...

Dream of all Dreams would to have a rotation better than the big 3 of the 90's.. Give me 6 #2+ with depth in the minors and I will show you a team that can win a world title...
 
bravesfanMatt said:
1. may be traded
2. young pitchers struggle. this might be a simple case of Wisler adjusting to hitters adjusting
3. no structural damage.
4. Perez is depth, not dependent upon.
5. Jenkins could always be pushed in to starting again
6. Norris is trade fodder..
7. Gant is a rookie.. hopefully with doing a job consistently, he will show what he has. He pitched like a #2 in the minors as a starter.
8. Blair, Ellis and Whalen are all ready and don't have much else to prove in the minors. How good they will be is up for debate. Our true pitching depth is A+ and lower... Newcomb and Sims are still young but close to being ready.
9. The fact that I could name 10 names worth mentioning, means there is depth.
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Again, I'm not saying we don't have a lot to be excited about - you're missing the point. You've got a lot of "mights" and "hopefullys" right now. Right now...

Blair's not throwing enough strikes - particularly quality strikes - to get through 5 innings. Neither is Gant.

Ellis is walking entirely too many AA hitters to expect him to be different - calling him and Whalen "ready" is a pretty big stretch.

Newcomb and Sims don't throw enough strikes to be considered remotely close to ready either.

Don't get me wrong, everybody's thrilled that we've stockpiled all these guys - but Blair was considered the closest of the group (by far, actually) to being "ready" to contribute to a MLB rotation, and he's not ready yet. These guys all still have a long way to go.
 
clvclv said:
Again, I'm not saying we don't have a lot to be excited about - you're missing the point. You've got a lot of "mights" and "hopefullys" right now. Right now...

Blair's not throwing enough strikes - particularly quality strikes - to get through 5 innings. Neither is Gant.

Ellis is walking entirely too many AA hitters to expect him to be different - calling him and Whalen "ready" is a pretty big stretch.

Newcomb and Sims don't throw enough strikes to be considered remotely close to ready either.

Don't get me wrong, everybody's thrilled that we've stockpiled all these guys - but Blair was considered the closest of the group (by far, actually) to being "ready" to contribute to a MLB rotation, and he's not ready yet. These guys all still have a long way to go.
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they have a long ways to go.. and are not a sure thing. But that could be said about any player. The Cubs can't really say they have enough hitting prospects can they? We all know AAA hitters don't always transition to the big club. you are always on Swarber away from needing that guy.. I am just saying we have depth at pitching... We have depth that is better than any other club... But I will never say we don't need more pitching. If next draft rolls around and we draft 3 high up side pitchers.. I will be a happy camper.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
The Cubs can't really say they have enough hitting prospects can they?
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They are set in a way we aren't. There are two big differences. First attrition for position prospects is significantly lower than for pitchers. Second, at the major league level they have much more in the way of established talented players under contractual control for a while than we do on the pitching side. It is a yuge difference.
 
nsacpi said:
They are set in a way we aren't. There are two big differences. First attrition for position prospects is significantly lower than for pitchers. Second, at the major league level they have much more in the way of established talented players under contractual control for a while than we do on the pitching side. It is a yuge difference.
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I agree they are set like we aren't.. however, two years ago when they kept acquiring talent, they had depth.. but that didn't stop them from getting more, possibly better talent. Again, I don't think any of us three disagree. WE NEED MORE PITCHING... I just think we are debating on what Depth/surplus means.. I wish our quality of 'ready' surplus was better... but we could call up anyone of Gant/Whalen/Blair/Jenkins/Kelley to make a start and could get quality innings out of them.. To me that is surplus.
 
You are both correct. Not enough sure things to guarantee future success. Certainly not enough on the Big League team to be successful now... but enough in the minors that some potential starters may not be starting because the minor league rotations are full.

Not a bad spot to be in. When some guys fall by the wayside, there are others to take their place, but still room to add new guys who are a talent upgrade. Not all will make it, and there are many question marks, but sheer number suggest there will be a few who turn out to be really good. And they keep adding to the stable.
 
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