The Curious Case of Julion Tayron

An organization that claims to value pitching so much should not give up a young, controllable, and ESTABLISHED one like this. It's becoming harder to see much of any return being worth it. Everyone likes to say trust the scouts. How about we start trusting our young talent? Good thing we didn't give up on Glavine and Smoltz with some of their early struggles.
 
nsacpi said:
I thought we should value Julion as a 3 WAR player a few weeks ago, and still think so. And we should only make a trade where we clearly win it on an expected surplus value basis.
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He's been over 3 WAR for three years of his career, and will blow past that this year.

Not using fWAR for obvious reasons.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
He ain't Shelby Miller.
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Yeah but I keep remember when we had Medlen, Beachy, Hanson, JJ, etc who all fell off a cliff to become zero worth players. Maybe saying Shelby Miller was too narrow to hit my point, but it's risky. If we had moved those guys for top prospect instead of them zeroing out on our roster we would have been much better off in the long run.

Honestly it's a win win for us.
 
yeezus said:
He's been over 3 WAR for three years of his career, and will blow past that this year.

Not using fWAR for obvious reasons.
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Yeah. Should move it up to 3.5-4. Which is significant. Raises the return I would want from a top 10 prospect to a top 10 guy plus another in the top 50.
 
I have absolutely no issue with going into 2017 with Teheran and Folty headlining the rotation.
 
bravesnumberone said:
An organization that claims to value pitching so much should not give up a young, controllable, and ESTABLISHED one like this. It's becoming harder to see much of any return being worth it. Everyone likes to say trust the scouts. How about we start trusting our young talent? Good thing we didn't give up on Glavine and Smoltz with some of their early struggles.
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Who is giving up on Teheran?
 
Isn't this exactly what we needed? For Julio to pitch out of his mind and jack up his value? How else are we going to get the offensive players to kick the door down on this rebuild to put a competitive, exciting product on the field? To me, this is perfect. Dealing from a position of strength with a valuable commodity. We won't get the major league ready bats by dealing prospects that Julio will command. Someone will blow us out of the water with a deal, and if it gives us potential stars in the field, we should take it!
 
Diesel said:
Isn't this exactly what we needed? For Julio to pitch out of his mind and jack up his value? How else are we going to get the offensive players to kick the door down on this rebuild to put a competitive, exciting product on the field? To me, this is perfect. Dealing from a position of strength with a valuable commodity. We won't get the major league ready bats by dealing prospects that Julio will command. Someone will blow us out of the water with a deal, and if it gives us potential stars in the field, we should take it!
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This is still where I am. The plan the whole time seems to be this. I'll never say we don't need Teheran, but we have a plethora of solid prospects. We do need a guy like Moncada to fill in for our offense - it's logical IMO.
 
Tough one.

I dont see Coppy trading him unless we win the trade by a mile like we did Miller, which is why im not sure he gets dealt.

I dont see Boston trading Benintendi and Moncada+ for him which is what it would take given his team friendly contract.
 
If you have a $100 bill your recently dead grandmother gave you, you might not want to spend it, you see it sentimentally, BUT, if someone wanted to give you $150 for it right now, it might be wise to take it. However, you would have no reason to accept another $100 bill in trade!
 
If the Braves want to win in 2017 they must keep Teheran. There is almost no realistic scenario where trading him makes the team better next year.

If the Braves want to rebuild for one more season and target 2018 to compete, they should trade him for a package of assets that will be ready in 2018.

It's really as simple as that.

We all know what Teheran is (a young 3.5 WAR pitcher), and we all know his contract is a tremendous value. That value needs to be put to use by a winning team, whether that team is the Braves or someone else.
 
Enscheff said:
If the Braves want to win in 2017 they must keep Teheran. There is almost no realistic scenario where trading him makes the team better next year.

If the Braves want to rebuild for one more season and target 2018 to compete, they should trade him for a package of assets that will be ready in 2018.

It's really as simple as that.

We all know what Teheran is (a young 3.5 WAR pitcher), and we all know his contract is a tremendous value. That value needs to be put to use by a winning team, whether that team is the Braves or someone else.
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With the value he currently has, I feel like we should go ahead and get a haul if its available to retool for 2018 and beyond... its rare to have a pitcher this valuable when you could really use the return. Further, he's out pitching his peripherals quite a bit... that being said, he's done that before so he may just be one of those rare guys who outpitches his peripherals.... but I'd rather trade him before an injury or regression may happen with how valuable he is.
 
The fact that Boston sent Frank Wren to Atlanta makes me think they are preparing to make a serious offer for Teheran. If I'm Atlanta though, I'm not listening to anything that doesn't include Moncada. Seriously, if they don't put Moncada in the deal, then I want Benintendi, Espinosa, Devers, Swihart, and Kopech for Teheran. They can replace Espinosa and Devers with Moncada if they prefer.

If they aren't serious, then I would have no issue keeping him. I'm not going to trade him out of this fear that if we don't do it now, he will lose value. That's foolish, IMO.
 
KB21 said:
The fact that Boston sent Frank Wren to Atlanta makes me think they are preparing to make a serious offer for Teheran. If I'm Atlanta though, I'm not listening to anything that doesn't include Moncada. Seriously, if they don't put Moncada in the deal, then I want Benintendi, Espinosa, Devers, Swihart, and Kopech for Teheran. They can replace Espinosa and Devers with Moncada if they prefer.

If they aren't serious, then I would have no issue keeping him. I'm not going to trade him out of this fear that if we don't do it now, he will lose value. That's foolish, IMO.
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Abso-freaking-lutely. We only get top-tier talent for him. We can keep him and be fine. They trade Moncada, hell yes.
 
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Don't worry, I got this.
 
Lol they are really sending wren back to atl. Coming out on top on trades was one of Wren's strengths. Remember JJ for Renteria, uggla (minus the extention) for spare parts. bourn and Upton trades. Interesting,
 
Coppy did mention the other day that he had been in discussions for a trade that may or may not happen. So we very well may never know, but I wonder if it had anything to do with Teheran.
 
Wren also lives in Atlanta, right? I believe I read he was at the game on Sunday too (but that could also have been to watch Norris).
 
How ironic if Julio does indeed end up in Boston. Wasn't that long ago, in the minors, that Julio was drawing comparisons to Pedro. I hope mini Pedro stays here, with us, though,
 
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