Viz and Teheran listed as top trade candidates

bravesfanMatt said:
I have been hoping to get Bregman for the last two months. He just fits this team like a glove. His time frame is right in line with Ozzie/Swanson and those four as our future infield would be fun to watch.
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I think the way to get us contending next year is to figure out a way to get a Bregman and then go after Myers

Teheran for Bregman

Touki/Blair/something else for Myers

Viz/Norris for something

That'd give us:

C -?
1B - Freeman
2b - Albies
SS - Swanson
3B - Bregman
LF - Myers
CF - Mallex
RF - Inciarte

That lineup isn't too bad, IMO... I'd dump Markakis for just about anything. And I'd maybe I'd take on a bad contract in order to get a starting pitcher. I'd actually like to try to and trade for Eddie Butler from Colorado.

The pitching would be a question mark without Julio... but Coppy has gotten creative before.. so perhaps the combo of Viz/Norris/taking on abad contract could get us a decent pitcher.
 
Bergman makes a lot of sense for us, but it doesn't make sense for the Astros.

There are a lot of guys that make sense for us though.

It would be kinda cool to build around the 1st and 2nd picks in the 2015 draft especially since we didn't draft either.
 
sturg33 said:
I think the way to get us contending next year is to figure out a way to get a Bregman and then go after Myers

Teheran for Bregman

Touki/Blair/something else for Myers

Viz/Norris for something

That'd give us:

C -?
1B - Freeman
2b - Albies
SS - Swanson
3B - Bregman
LF - Myers
CF - Mallex
RF - Inciarte

That lineup isn't too bad, IMO... I'd dump Markakis for just about anything. And I'd maybe I'd take on a bad contract in order to get a starting pitcher. I'd actually like to try to and trade for Eddie Butler from Colorado.

The pitching would be a question mark without Julio... but Coppy has gotten creative before.. so perhaps the combo of Viz/Norris/taking on abad contract could get us a decent pitcher.
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if we trade Norris, JT, and Blair, we would be in big trouble... even with that lineup. I don't think Newcomb/Whalen/Ellis/Sims are ready.. so you basically have Wisler, Folty, Perez as your rotation. Add a FA/trade and you still need to find another just to have a 5th.. much less depth for injuries. Maybe you trail by fire for 2017 with the four above and maybe Jenkins and see where it takes you. That lineup would be fun to watch though.. good power/speed/bat balance IMO.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
if we trade Norris, JT, and Blair, we would be in big trouble... even with that lineup. I don't think Newcomb/Whalen/Ellis/Sims are ready.. so you basically have Wisler, Folty, Perez as your rotation. Add a FA/trade and you still need to find another just to have a 5th.. much less depth for injuries. Maybe you trail by fire for 2017 with the four above and maybe Jenkins and see where it takes you. That lineup would be fun to watch though.. good power/speed/bat balance IMO.
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Yeah... the more I think about it, we really don't have much pitching depth. Julio and Wisler* are safe... and Wisler is no sure thing at all.

It almost makes you wonder if we should try to retain Norris.

If the Braves are trying to compete next year - then they need to keep at least one Bud/Teheran

If not - then send away
 
sturg33 said:
Yeah... the more I think about it, we really don't have much pitching depth. Julio and Wisler* are safe... and Wisler is no sure thing at all.

It almost makes you wonder if we should try to retain Norris.

If the Braves are trying to compete next year - then they need to keep at least one Bud/Teheran

If not - then send away
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I still don't think competing for anything important is possible next year. the team will be just too young. I would rather send Norris and JT away and deal with the heartaches that we will most certainly feel. I can handle another year of losing if we have a team that is clearly developing.

I like our pitching depth.. it is just not as close as the FO would like.
 
Speaking of Bregman...What if we could swing a deal with the Astros for Bregman and not lose Julio?

Carlos Correa is a 3B waiting to happen. He's not that good defensively and his bat profiles as a 3B. Bregman is probably better suited for 3B as well. So essentially they have two 3B and no SS's. We have two SS's and no 3B.
 
Heyman had two Braves sources tell him we are 99.9 percent certain that Teheran won't be traded.

He also said don't assume that Boston's top prospects are untradable.
 
CJ9 said:
Heyman had two Braves sources tell him we are 99.9 percent certain that Teheran won't be traded.

He also said don't assume that Boston's top prospects are untradable.
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Wouldn't bother me in the least if his sources are right.
 
Preacher said:
I think we are making a mistake if we keep JT.

We aren't competing next year
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but we have Tehran until 2019. If we had him for 1 more year I'd agree, but we have much more control. Can still trade him in the offseason.

We need to be blown away to trade Tehran, that makes sense to me.

IMO the Sox know that we have what they need......Tehran and Viz. They don't want to overpay. Wren prob doesn't want to help us out. But they are going to have to if they want Tehran.

If they just want Viz, then maybe we can work out a 3 way with the Padres to get Meyers and let the Padres take some prospects further away from the sox.
 
clvclv said:
Wouldn't bother me in the least if his sources are right.
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I just don't see how we improve the offense long term without dealing Julio when we've already said Freeman is off limits, too. What's the plan to do that, other than signing 30+ year olds in free agency?
 
CJ9 said:
I just don't see how we improve the offense long term without dealing Julio when we've already said Freeman is off limits, too. What's the plan to do that, other than signing 30+ year olds in free agency?
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This concerns me as well. I don't want this rebuild to go half way and then stall out into mediocrity for 5 years because we were 'too afraid' to make a big trade. I understand prospects might bust.. but I would rather fail at trying over not trying and fail.
 
CJ9 said:
I just don't see how we improve the offense long term without dealing Julio when we've already said Freeman is off limits, too. What's the plan to do that, other than signing 30+ year olds in free agency?
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There is nothing wrong with signing 30+ year old FAs as long as they aren't given more than 4-5 years.

There are also teams who could be willing to trade hitters for pitchers younger than Julio. The Pirates currently have 4 OFers now that Meadows looks ready, so they may be a potential fit. The Padres could trade Meyers, and they most certainly will want younger guys than Julio as the return. The Brewers will probably want young guys when they trade Lucroy and Braun.

There are many viable ways to improve the offense without trading Teheran, many of which we probably haven't even discussed here.
 
Russ2dollas said:
but we have Tehran until 2019. If we had him for 1 more year I'd agree, but we have much more control. Can still trade him in the offseason.

We need to be blown away to trade Tehran, that makes sense to me.

IMO the Sox know that we have what they need......Tehran and Viz. They don't want to overpay. Wren prob doesn't want to help us out. But they are going to have to if they want Tehran.

If they just want Viz, then maybe we can work out a 3 way with the Padres to get Meyers and let the Padres take some prospects further away from the sox.
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But we stink this year, and I don't think we're competing next year - so that's a 1.5 years of JT we are wasting and hoping that he not only stays healthy, but stays as good as he is now.

Coupled with how thin the SP market is currently, this is the time to deal him, and we don't need to win in a 'landslide' we just have to get fair value.
 
clvclv said:
Wouldn't bother me in the least if his sources are right.
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Well, I'd be kinda annoyed if the last part is true and we didn't trade Julio. If Boston is willing to move their top prospects in order to get him, we should be taking them. Otherwise we should keep him of course.
 
Preacher said:
But we stink this year, and I don't think we're competing next year - so that's a 1.5 years of JT we are wasting and hoping that he not only stays healthy, but stays as good as he is now.

Coupled with how thin the SP market is currently, this is the time to deal him, and we don't need to win in a 'landslide' we just have to get fair value.
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Agreed
 
Right now we're stuck focusing on 4 teams. 2 of them have stated they don't want to trade their best prospects (Sox and Rangers), one is run by a guy who's made his living holding on to prospects (Dodgers) and one has been bit by their last two trades where they included top prospects for players who have under-performed (Astros).

In the offseason we'd have 29 teams making their best pitch for Julio and we can play them all against one another. Also in the offseason you can replace someone you trade much easier, making most more teams willing to trade. If you plan on signing Cespedes, maybe you trade away your young power hitting OF to acquire pitching since you cannot buy pitching...Or if you plan on signing Weiters, then you include your good young backstop...and so on.

The only reason to trade mid-season is if you're going to lose said player anyhow or a team is desperate and you can bend them over a barrel.
 
Preacher said:
But we stink this year, and I don't think we're competing next year - so that's a 1.5 years of JT we are wasting and hoping that he not only stays healthy, but stays as good as he is now.

Coupled with how thin the SP market is currently, this is the time to deal him, and we don't need to win in a 'landslide' we just have to get fair value.
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It all hinges on competing next year. You assume the Braves can't be good next year, but many disagree. They have the resources to address 3B, LF and C this offseason, while Swanson and Albies can take over SS and 2B. Revamping 60% of the starting lineup has a way of making a team markedly better.

Folks need to get it out of their heads that this team is somehow going to go from 90 losses to WC contention in one offseason if they just time everything exactly right. With some competent moves to fix 3B, LF and C, this team can win 80 games next year. Then with a few more moves after 2017 they can be an 85+ win team. At some point they have to start getting better, and that won't happen next year by trading Teheran.
 
Chico said:
In the offseason we'd have 29 teams making their best pitch for Julio and we can play them all against one another. Also in the offseason you can replace someone you trade much easier, making most more teams willing to trade. If you plan on signing Cespedes, maybe you trade away your young power hitting OF to acquire pitching since you cannot buy pitching...Or if you plan on signing Weiters, then you include your good young backstop...and so on.
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Teams have ALOT more options to fix their rotation in the off-season.
 
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