UNCBlue012
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Holy. Wow. That's way better than I would of given Julio.
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Holy. Wow. That's way better than I would of given Julio.
Wow that's a horrible and laughable list.
Deester11
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Maybe but I love that they think Julio is the prize. Woo hoo.
Indeed, but when a list has Steven Wright above Sale, Thor, Lester, and numerous others including Julio, the author is clearly clueless.
chop2chip
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Nah, we are interpreting it just fine, his list has no consistency and makes no sense. He has Julio above Lester, Fernandez, and DeGrom, despite all three having better stats than Julio by every single stat or metric. There are multiple examples of the same thing with different positions all across the 100.
Lol at Bryce Harper at 82.
50PoundHead
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How is having Julio over those guys based on performance so far this year clueless or laughable? BR has Julio with more WAR than all of them. You may disagree with BR's WAR, but it clearly isn't crazy.
No NL team needs to carry 5 OFers. And Frenchy is pretty awful at CF, so he's basically only a corner OF.
I was going by normal stats (ERA, FIP, K rate, whatever really), not WAR. That's my point really, the dude is clearly not using WAR, because he has Wright 19th (who only has like 2.5 WAR on BR and 2.2 on FG) and Syndergaard has more WAR than any pitcher besides Kershaw. It's not where he has Julio that I'm talking about, his rankings are laughable because there is no consistency or logic.
One thing I am curious about though, can anyone tell me the difference between what stats FG and BR are using for their pitching WAR? Because FG is ridiculously low on Julio (1.7) and BR is a bit high IMO.
chop2chip
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BR WAR:
Julio - 3.4
Lester - 2.2
Fernadez - 2.5
DeGrom - 2.7
We can all gripe with the pointlessness of the list, but I think it reflects more poorly on the consumer of content rather than the provider of content to complain about ordinal rankings based on not-so-set-in-stone criterion.
chop2chip
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FG uses FIP whereas BR uses ERA. In other words, FG is a better predictor of future performance, whereas BR is better at looking backwards on actual value, IMO.
And the list is meant to be fun. If he based it entirely off of value, then he could have sorted the FanGraphs leaderboard. This is clearly a subjective exercise.
His rankings make no sense based on any criterion. Wright isn't close to like the next 20-30 people behind him in WAR.
chop2chip
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Well lets grab our pitchforks and riot then, shall we?
That's is not accurate at all. Julio has been better than all those guys. While I don't subscribe to WAR, he is currently 4th in the NL in brWAR for pitchers. ERA+ is right in line with Lester and actually better than Fernandez, despite more innings pitched than either one. DeGrom has better rate stat, true, but has like 30 fewer innings, which is quite significant.
They have to be using something more than ERA though, otherwise Wright would be faring better in BR WAR. He only has 4 IP less than Julio and a .3 ERA advantage, but is a full 1 WAR behind Julio almost.
You're the one trying to argue with me that the list wasn't dumb, don't try and get all sarcastic now.
Well obviously the formula includes more than just ERA, but that's the primary distinguishing factor between it and Fangraphs' version.