Reports: Two Dallas Police Officers Shot During Protests

[MrShwag]

What does it mean to become WOKE?

I'm assuming, by the way I've heard it used by black people recently, especially after that Grey's Anatomy guy's speach is.. becoming aware of a system of oppression that is built to keep you down and being (possibly) angered or (maybe) energized by that knowledge toward efforts to topple said system.

 

[smootness]

This is a nice sentiment, but it would be nicer if you hadn't immediately preceded it with:

blacks could make an effort to remove the ingrained feeling of racial targeting of persecution? I'm not saying it doesn't ever happen, but I find it hard to believe that people honestly look at you like a criminal when entering an expensive store dressed nicely. I know a whole lot of black people a lot more wealthy than I am, and I imagine most people are in the same spot.

Telling a large mass of folks "I don't believe you, and the stuff you are complaining about is just made up inside you head".... that's the exact opposite of "the benefit of the doubt."

Thanks for attempting to condense my thoughts and changing them in the process. It's not about believing someone. I fully believe the feeling that someone is judging or stereotyping is present. But you have no idea if it is actually the case. So the benefit of the doubt in this instance would be to give the white person the benefit of the doubt that they're not thinking that. Of course the white person should also give the benefit of the doubt that the black shopper is just like all the other shoppers, that's a given.

Reading negative motives and thoughts into another person without actual knowledge does no one any good.

 

[Bj1133]

I asked a hypothetical question. Neither I or the cops know if his intentions were to kill them. In their shoes, they are trying to interview a guy that was pegged as brandishing a firearm. He refused to talk to them and then refused to go in for questioning. Next step? Use taser....that still doesn't work and they wrestle him to the ground. While fighting to keep him down (and handcuff him?) they discover he has a gun and tell him not to move. (obvious reasons why they wouldn't want him to move). He then still wrestles his arm free in proximity to where they know the gun is. That can pretty much not be debated, right? It's a split second decision and none of us know his intentions, but they certainly were not to comply with the officers.

I can see why its debated, I sympathize with the Minnesota victim. That was a case of a bad cop. This is a dude with a long rapsheet brandishing a firearm and then resisting arrest while armed. He was the reason why he was shot. Whether or not the outcome "fits the crime," it was escalated because of his actions and his decision to be armed and resist arrest. I mean this is the second time he's had an illegal firearm and wrestled with police.....why are we sympathetic to this guy?

You are spot on in regards to the Louisiana incident - I've seen the video and the police officers made multiple attempts to subdue him (physically and verbally) and got zero cooperation from the victim. It is unfortunate that it led to his death, but the victim escalated the situation and left the officers little choice in their actions.

 

[Krgrecw]

 

[smootness]

black people in the USA are the most racist ,scapegoating people on the planet. they kill each other in droves, but blame whitey. If you question them, you are branded a terrible racist and the SJW left comes and tries to ruin your life. They refuse to integrate into society, preferring their thug life culture and then have the amusing cajones to blame everyone but themselves for their predicament in life. I feel no compassion for the black community as a whole, they did it to themselves.

Good grief, shut up. This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that only makes the situation worse.

 

[smootness]

To kill them? Are you serious?

A police officer should be able to determine that a man passively standing in front of a convenience store is not an ongoing violent action.

Once again, I feel like we watched a different video. I saw a man struggling while being tackled, but at no point did I see a man attempting to grab a gun.

I get this. The Sterling video is troublesome to me, but based on what we know, it's also just a tough situation for the police. The receive a call about someone who is armed making a threat with the gun. That is not a situation where you're just showing up to check things out. You have to show up a little more on edge than normal and prepared for things to get bad.

And you're also prepared to make an arrest. Making a threat with a deadly weapon is a crime. So regardless of what Sterling was doing when they showed up, they had reason to believe he had committed a crime. They're not just going to show up and let him go as long as he's just standing there. There's going to be some kind of confrontation.

So they have to confront someone they know made a threat with a loaded gun, and they may have pulled up his record by that point. Regardless, they have to be prepared for anything. It's obviously awful that it progressed to Sterling's death, and I'm not sure the cops did everything they could have to avoid that while still doing their job. But I do understand how tough a situation like that is, and we have to remember that these cops have likely been in similar situations that turned dangerous, so they're probably not thinking, 'Well, it's not like this guy is actually going to pull his gun on us.'

They have to make quick decisions that can have devastating consequences in either direction. I hope that situation is fully investigated with transparency and that any unlawful or unnecessary action is prosecuted. But I can at least understand the difficulty and how it can possibly escalate.

The other video seems to be pretty open and shut. The cop should be put in jail.

 

[smootness]

Again, I find it bizarre that you would see this in the video. I can't even fathom how you perceive this. You are interpreting "moving his arm" as trying to kill cops.

The point is, it had been established that he was carrying a gun, had already made a threat with it, and could have been moving his arm to it with the intention of trying to kill cops.

That's all the cops know at that point. It would be great if they could wait first to make sure he's going to grab his gun, but they don't always have the benefit of waiting. That's why it's important not to move when the cops tell you not to move. I hate when people dismiss these incidents as, 'Do what the cops tell you and you won't get shot,' but there is some truth to that, and there are reasons beyond a desire for power (though some cross that line) that a cop is telling you not to move.

 

[bravesnumberone]

I like to try to look at every situation independently, but it should be very clear there's a disturbing pattern here.

Everything is really going to ****. Whether it's a person who's either completely deranged and/or irrationally motivated by hate, fear, racism, any other factor(s), whether it's a racist prick cop or a woefully, inadequately trained one, the result is often violence and loss of lives that simply should not and did not have to happen. Then those of us who aren't involved are left, and too many of us rush to cling to one thing to advance their own agenda or deflect attention from their own pet issue, and we fail to talk to each other as people and recognize that there are often multiple factors at play.

Guns and violence are never the answer. I'd like to believe we can grow as a people, but I don't see how at this point.

 

[gilesfan]

I like to try to look at every situation independently, but it should be very clear there's a disturbing pattern here.

Everything is really going to ****. Whether it's a person who's either completely deranged and/or irrationally motivated by hate, fear, racism, any other factor(s), whether it's a racist prick cop or a woefully, inadequately trained one, the result is often violence and loss of lives that simply should not and did not have to happen. Then those of us who aren't involved are left, and too many of us rush to cling to one thing to advance their own agenda or deflect attention from their own pet issue, and we fail to talk to each other as people and recognize that there are often multiple factors at play.

Guns and violence are never the answer. I'd like to believe we can grow as a people, but I don't see how at this point.

This **** scares me. But, I sit back and remember that gun violence is way down and these are isolated incidents even if it seems to be happening every day. We are probably safer now than we have ever been.

 

[bravesnumberone]

This **** scares me. But, I sit back and remember that gun violence is way down and these are isolated incidents even if it seems to be happening every day. We are probably safer now than we have ever been.

Statistically, we may be safer, but we are not a healthy society. We have to do better.

 

[njc108]

What does it mean to become WOKE?

Its not just generational wealth. Thats only a fraction of the problem. America was/is built for the white man.

I copied this from one of the black boards i visited...who took this from a study/book....

"White Supremacy by its very nature and intent requires the continuing oppression and subordination of African peoples and, in time, may require their very lives. Subordination of a people requires that that people in some way or ways be violated, dehumanized, humiliated, and that some type of violence be perpetrated against them. The violently oppressed react violently to their oppression. When their reactionary violence, their retaliatory or defensive violence, can't be EFFECTIVELY directed at their oppressors or effectively applied to their self-liberation, it will then be directed at and applied DESTRUCTIVELY to themselves. This is the essence of Black on Black violence. Oppressive violence is both pro-active and reactive, directed and misdirected. Black men kill each other because they have not yet chosen to challenge and neutralize on every front the widespread power of White men to rule over their lives [mental slavery].

White American power [in general White domination globally], is utilized to spawn pre-conditions and conditions of Black on Black violence. White American politico-economic power has been and is utilized to strip the African American community and of its power to defend itself against the plagues of violence, drug abuse, crime and AIDS and other social/biological ailments which so painfully afflict it. This disempowerment of the Black community, the primary purpose of which is to leave it fundamentally defenseless against White American socioeconomic incursion and exploitation, also leaves it defenseless against the other ills which threaten to totally undermine its health and well-being. Thus, the conditions which are baneful to the African American community are those conditions which help to maintain White American power and domination over that community.

These conditions are so subtly orchestrated that their orchestration is often unnoticed by its intended victims and are, more often than not, misperceived and misinterpreted by THEM as ORIGINATING ENDEMICALLY FROM THEIR OWN MINDS AND CHARACTERS.

A sense of powerlessness and interpersonal violence are inextricably intertwined, Absolute powerlessness as well as absolute power, corrupts.

The perpetual domination of African Americans by White Americans psychically requires the White American criminalization of the African male, i.e., the White American perception of the African male as inherently criminal. In the context of White American domination [liberal or conservative], there is no innocent Black male, just Black male criminals who have not yet been detected, apprehended or convicted. Their mere presence inspires in White Americans, fears of being assaulted, raped, robbed or some other indefinable dread of being criminally victimized. Fantasies of the sexual molestation of White females by rapacious Black males are common to the White American male and female consciousness and are frequent themes of their literary, cinematic and pornographic productions.

For a very large percentage of White Americans [100%], young Black males, sexual promiscuity and criminality are synonymous. In the dominant White American consciousness, the African male is existentially guilty, (i.e., he is guilty by his mere existence) for merely having the audacity of being alive. There is a pervasive feeling among many White Americans that their world would be much more secure if all young Black males were imprisoned, solitarily confined to their ghettos, or kept under constant surveillance. It is no quirky coincidence that such perceptions, feelings and attitudes toward African American males occur most prevalently within the context of White American dominance.

In the interest of maintaining and justifying continuity of the White American community, the African male is not only readily suspected of committing a crime, but is actively PROVOKED and SEDUCED into criminality by his White accusers and persecutors.

Black on Black criminality and violence represent quests for power and outraged protests against a sense of powerlessness and insignificance. They are protective fetishes used to defend against feelings of helplessness and vulnerability. Black on Black violence is reflective of vain attempts to achieve basic, positive human ends in a negative environment, by negative means. It represents an often misguided, furious struggle for self-affirmation by many African Americans while entangled in a White American spun spider's web, specifically designed and constructed to accomplish their dis-affirmation. Black on Black violence and criminality are rooted in positive White American values -irrational quests for power, prestige, possession, affection, and acceptance among peers so as to secure illusory reassurances against anxiety, self-contempt, and feelings of inferiority. They are rooted as well inn attempts to protect against exploitation by others also caught up in the same rapacious social environment generated and sustained by egregious White American values. For too many African American youth, being cut off from the paths to legitimate and self-determined personal accomplishment as a result of the underdeveloped power of the African American community, the violent subduing of others may often be their only significant achievement and claim to fame.

Black male criminality is the stepchild of White male criminality. The White male, in order to enhance and protect his self-image, enjoy the material wealth, power and political advantages of his criminality, must deny truth and reality. He must not experience the guilty conscience which would result from an acknowledgement and acceptance of his own criminality and psychopathy. His malevolent incrustations must be smoothed over and his criminal dross transmuted to gold. The collective White American ego complex must deny and distort reality if it is to persist in perceiving itself as God's chosen; as sanctified in face of its beastification of the African Americans (particularly males) and its thingification of others.

White American and European denial of their historical criminal subjugation and vicious exploitation of African peoples and their ongoing defense of their continuing criminal subordination of African peoples have psychically infected the African mind with a variant of White American/European communal psychopathology. Such Eurocentric psychopathology is manifested in Black on Black crime."

At the end of the day its about Capitalism. I truly feel that money is being made by keeping blacks oppressed.

 

[gilesfan]

Statistically, we may be safer, but we are not a healthy society. We have to do better.

The issues today are the same issues we've had for generations. Its just become a world where everyone's views are able to be seen on social media.

 

[gilesfan]

Its not just generational wealth. Thats only a fraction of the problem. America was/is built for the white man.

I copied this from one of the black boards i visited...who took this from a study/book....

"White Supremacy by its very nature and intent requires the continuing oppression and subordination of African peoples and, in time, may require their very lives. Subordination of a people requires that that people in some way or ways be violated, dehumanized, humiliated, and that some type of violence be perpetrated against them. The violently oppressed react violently to their oppression. When their reactionary violence, their retaliatory or defensive violence, can't be EFFECTIVELY directed at their oppressors or effectively applied to their self-liberation, it will then be directed at and applied DESTRUCTIVELY to themselves. This is the essence of Black on Black violence. Oppressive violence is both pro-active and reactive, directed and misdirected. Black men kill each other because they have not yet chosen to challenge and neutralize on every front the widespread power of White men to rule over their lives [mental slavery].

White American power [in general White domination globally], is utilized to spawn pre-conditions and conditions of Black on Black violence. White American politico-economic power has been and is utilized to strip the African American community and of its power to defend itself against the plagues of violence, drug abuse, crime and AIDS and other social/biological ailments which so painfully afflict it. This disempowerment of the Black community, the primary purpose of which is to leave it fundamentally defenseless against White American socioeconomic incursion and exploitation, also leaves it defenseless against the other ills which threaten to totally undermine its health and well-being. Thus, the conditions which are baneful to the African American community are those conditions which help to maintain White American power and domination over that community.

These conditions are so subtly orchestrated that their orchestration is often unnoticed by its intended victims and are, more often than not, misperceived and misinterpreted by THEM as ORIGINATING ENDEMICALLY FROM THEIR OWN MINDS AND CHARACTERS.

A sense of powerlessness and interpersonal violence are inextricably intertwined, Absolute powerlessness as well as absolute power, corrupts.

The perpetual domination of African Americans by White Americans psychically requires the White American criminalization of the African male, i.e., the White American perception of the African male as inherently criminal. In the context of White American domination [liberal or conservative], there is no innocent Black male, just Black male criminals who have not yet been detected, apprehended or convicted. Their mere presence inspires in White Americans, fears of being assaulted, raped, robbed or some other indefinable dread of being criminally victimized. Fantasies of the sexual molestation of White females by rapacious Black males are common to the White American male and female consciousness and are frequent themes of their literary, cinematic and pornographic productions.

For a very large percentage of White Americans [100%], young Black males, sexual promiscuity and criminality are synonymous. In the dominant White American consciousness, the African male is existentially guilty, (i.e., he is guilty by his mere existence) for merely having the audacity of being alive. There is a pervasive feeling among many White Americans that their world would be much more secure if all young Black males were imprisoned, solitarily confined to their ghettos, or kept under constant surveillance. It is no quirky coincidence that such perceptions, feelings and attitudes toward African American males occur most prevalently within the context of White American dominance.

In the interest of maintaining and justifying continuity of the White American community, the African male is not only readily suspected of committing a crime, but is actively PROVOKED and SEDUCED into criminality by his White accusers and persecutors.

Black on Black criminality and violence represent quests for power and outraged protests against a sense of powerlessness and insignificance. They are protective fetishes used to defend against feelings of helplessness and vulnerability. Black on Black violence is reflective of vain attempts to achieve basic, positive human ends in a negative environment, by negative means. It represents an often misguided, furious struggle for self-affirmation by many African Americans while entangled in a White American spun spider's web, specifically designed and constructed to accomplish their dis-affirmation. Black on Black violence and criminality are rooted in positive White American values -irrational quests for power, prestige, possession, affection, and acceptance among peers so as to secure illusory reassurances against anxiety, self-contempt, and feelings of inferiority. They are rooted as well inn attempts to protect against exploitation by others also caught up in the same rapacious social environment generated and sustained by egregious White American values. For too many African American youth, being cut off from the paths to legitimate and self-determined personal accomplishment as a result of the underdeveloped power of the African American community, the violent subduing of others may often be their only significant achievement and claim to fame.

Black male criminality is the stepchild of White male criminality. The White male, in order to enhance and protect his self-image, enjoy the material wealth, power and political advantages of his criminality, must deny truth and reality. He must not experience the guilty conscience which would result from an acknowledgement and acceptance of his own criminality and psychopathy. His malevolent incrustations must be smoothed over and his criminal dross transmuted to gold. The collective White American ego complex must deny and distort reality if it is to persist in perceiving itself as God's chosen; as sanctified in face of its beastification of the African Americans (particularly males) and its thingification of others.

White American and European denial of their historical criminal subjugation and vicious exploitation of African peoples and their ongoing defense of their continuing criminal subordination of African peoples have psychically infected the African mind with a variant of White American/European communal psychopathology. Such Eurocentric psychopathology is manifested in Black on Black crime."

At the end of the day its about Capitalism. I truly feel that money is being made by keeping blacks oppressed.

That is some bull****. I don't even know how else to respond.

Im sympathetic to the topic of white privilege in America, but this is sheer lunacy.

 

[njc108]

I dont hate white people. Even the people that have called me a troll or racist on this board i dont even hate. Hell i think thats part of the problem with my race.. We are a forgiving race (to our detriment).

I really hope some of you here are open to atleast read what others have to say. I can privately provide a link to a black (mainly female) website so you can hear others opinions.

 

[gilesfan]

I dont hate white people. Even the people that have called me a troll or racist on this board i dont even hate. Hell i think thats part of the problem with my race.. We are a forgiving race (to our detriment).

I really hope some of you here are open to atleast read what others have to say. I can privately provide a link to a black (mainly female) website so you can hear others opinions.

I don't have any need to read extremist websites. I can talk to reasonable black people every day.

 

[smootness]

I dont hate white people. Even the people that have called me a troll or racist on this board i dont even hate. Hell i think thats part of the problem with my race.. We are a forgiving race (to our detriment).

I really hope some of you here are open to atleast read what others have to say. I can privately provide a link to a black (mainly female) website so you can hear others opinions.

I think one of the main problems is pretending that any race is inherently more or less anything than another. The fewer artificial divisions we create, the better off we'll be.

 

[njc108]

I don't have any need to read extremist websites. I can talk to reasonable black people every day.

And this is why things in America wont change. But its cool. No need to visit because not everyone likes or can handle being a minority. Its best you stay put

 

[smootness]

Black on black violence is a result of trying to achieve positive human ends? Get out, my gosh.

So white on white violence is the result of a benevolent attempt to reduce the number of whites in the population, making blacks less of a minority I guess.

Violence is violence. We can try to wax poetic about it all day, but it's stupid in all its forms.

 

[gilesfan]

And this is why things in America wont change. But its cool. No need to visit because not everyone likes or can handle being a minority. Its best you stay put

 

[njc108]

I think one of the main problems is pretending that any race is inherently more or less anything than another. The fewer artificial divisions we create, the better off we'll be.

But that would be ignoring the truth. Its been ingrained since birth. Have you ever seen the Barbie doll studies? Black is not beautiful. Why do you think there are many black women walking around with weave? Our natural hair and looks are considered ugly by white standards. I could go on but im just so tired.

The only reason i decided to post was to provide another viewpoint that i think many here wont see because they stay amongst their groups instead of venturing out. Im brave enough to come here when i know my opinion is hated. But i have listen to everyones opinion. I just hope many whites start doing the same.