Cops gun down legal carrying citizen

It's ironic. Senator Tim Scott of SC gave a speech on his experiences with racial profiling.

Two of his stories are almost exactly what happened to me.

I took a left out of the mall, and as soon as I took a left, a police officer pulled in right behind me. So that was my first left. I got to another traffic light, I took another left into a neighborhood; the police followed behind me. I took a third left onto the street that leads or at the time led to my apartment complex. Then finally I took a fourth left, coming into my apartment complex.And then, the blue lights went on.
The officer approached the car and said that I did not use my turn signal on the fourth turn.
Keep in mind, as you might imagine that I was paying very close attention to the law enforcement officer who followed me on four turns. Do you really think that somehow I forgot to use my turn signal on that fourth turn? Well, according to him I did.
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As I said earlier in this thread, I saw the cop car when I got to the 4-way stop with no other cars in the other 3 directions. I actually exaggerated the full stop just so there was no reason, ended up following me and speeding up a mile to catch me. I knew he was just coming after me because I spoke and filed a complaint against those idiots who pulled me over earlier that month and had their guns pointed at me.

Another time, I was following a friend of mine, we had just left working out and we were heading to Outback to grab a bite to eat at about four o’clock in the afternoon. And he pulls out, and I pull out right behind him. We’re driving down the road and the blue lights come on. Officer pulls me into the median, and he starts telling me that he thinks perhaps the car is stolen. Well, I started asking myself because I was smart enough not to ask him.
Asking myself, is the license plate coming in as stolen? Does the license plate match the car? I was looking for some rational reason that may have prompted him to stopping me on the side of the road.
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Same garbage that happened to me. Only they had their guns pointed at me, called backup for 8 cops, and flat out said my father reported the vehicle stolen and that my tag was not registered.

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It's sad that some here don't believe this type of profiling exists and that this is just liberal whining.
 
weso1 said:
But there are more cops in high violent crime communities. Blacks commit 40 - 50 percent of murders. There should be a higher police presence in those communities, and there are. And if there are more cops in those communities then obviously more folks are going to get caught doing stuff. And the vast majority of folks are in state prison because of violent crime, stolen property, drunk driving or gun charges. So let's not pretend there are a bunch of folks in state prison for peeing on a girl in public.
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I dont know why you single out state prisons but theres plenty of people in prison for drug offenses only. How many of those violent criminals were in and out of jail on drug offenses when they were young? We take stupid kids and put them in Criminal College and put them back on the streets with a record making it a million times harder to make a living and wonder where these violent criminals come from. Black people are not against having cops in their neighborhoods to keep them safe from being robbed or killed. They just dont want the police preying on them. Imagine being a good black person living in those poor areas and every time a cop sees you they stop you and treat you like a violent criminal and give you 3 tickets for stupid **** like your friends jacket supposedly blocking your rear view mirror. Not only do you have to contend with the criminals trying to rob and kill you but now the police come and do the same **** only you cant call anyone to help when its the police. Arresting these people for victimless crimes is victimizing them not protecting them.

50PoundHead said:
I've never committed a felony, but I drove drunk about 1,000 times before I dried out. Got stopped once when I was totally tanked and made an illegal U-turn but talked my way out of it.

The big thing that I believe weso is ignoring is that it's not simply the committing of the crime that's the problem, it's access to decent legal representation that probably matters the most. Public defenders are overworked and plead out a bunch of stuff and that usually gives the poor--black, white, or otherwise--a criminal record that follows them around like genital herpes. White suburban kids doing the same crap have their parents pay for a private attorney that can give the case a lot more attention and often have connections that can lead to a lesser penalty.

It's out of the box and probably not totally applicable to the conversation, but does anyone here honestly think that if Brock Turner had been a poor minority rapist, he would have been treated as leniently as the real-life Brock Turner? Now granted that was the judge's sentencing decision, but I think it's a valid example of how race may play a role in cases like that. Of course, one can't prove the negative, so this isn't the proper use of logic, but I think it's at the very least instructive as to how connections and celebrity can lead to disparate treatment in the criminal justice system.
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DUI's can be felonies and I am sure there are any number of other felonies you dont realize were felonies.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I dont know why you single out state prisons but theres plenty of people in prison for drug offenses only. How many of those violent criminals were in and out of jail on drug offenses when they were young? We take stupid kids and put them in Criminal College and put them back on the streets with a record making it a million times harder to make a living and wonder where these violent criminals come from. Black people are not against having cops in their neighborhoods to keep them safe from being robbed or killed. They just dont want the police preying on them. Imagine being a good black person living in those poor areas and every time a cop sees you they stop you and treat you like a violent criminal and give you 3 tickets for stupid **** like your friends jacket supposedly blocking your rear view mirror. Not only do you have to contend with the criminals trying to rob and kill you but now the police come and do the same **** only you cant call anyone to help when its the police. Arresting these people for victimless crimes is victimizing them not protecting them.

DUI's can be felonies and I am sure there are any number of other felonies you dont realize were felonies.
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Don't worry. I wasn't trying to make myself sound like an angel.
 
Forever Fredi said:
It's ironic. Senator Tim Scott of SC gave a speech on his experiences with racial profiling.

Two of his stories are almost exactly what happened to me.

As I said earlier in this thread, I saw the cop car when I got to the 4-way stop with no other cars in the other 3 directions. I actually exaggerated the full stop just so there was no reason, ended up following me and speeding up a mile to catch me. I knew he was just coming after me because I spoke and filed a complaint against those idiots who pulled me over earlier that month and had their guns pointed at me.

Same garbage that happened to me. Only they had their guns pointed at me, called backup for 8 cops, and flat out said my father reported the vehicle stolen and that my tag was not registered.

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It's sad that some here don't believe this type of profiling exists and that this is just liberal whining.
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Its sad that you think this only happens to people of color. Cops make mistakes. When you comply with them despite them being in the wrong, it ends up a hell of a lot better for all parties involved than when you don't.
 
50PoundHead said:
I've never committed a felony, but I drove drunk about 1,000 times before I dried out. Got stopped once when I was totally tanked and made an illegal U-turn but talked my way out of it.

The big thing that I believe weso is ignoring is that it's not simply the committing of the crime that's the problem, it's access to decent legal representation that probably matters the most. Public defenders are overworked and plead out a bunch of stuff and that usually gives the poor--black, white, or otherwise--a criminal record that follows them around like genital herpes. White suburban kids doing the same crap have their parents pay for a private attorney that can give the case a lot more attention and often have connections that can lead to a lesser penalty.

It's out of the box and probably not totally applicable to the conversation, but does anyone here honestly think that if Brock Turner had been a poor minority rapist, he would have been treated as leniently as the real-life Brock Turner? Now granted that was the judge's sentencing decision, but I think it's a valid example of how race may play a role in cases like that. Of course, one can't prove the negative, so this isn't the proper use of logic, but I think it's at the very least instructive as to how connections and celebrity can lead to disparate treatment in the criminal justice system.
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I've never committed a felony. Don't DUIs typically go under mistdemeanors unless other things occur? The drunk driver that hit me would have only been charged with misdemeanors if he hadn't left the scene, which turned into felony hit an run when property damage exceeds 1,000.

I don't really think legal representation plays a huge part. Most of the crimes discussed are minor and both the defense and pros are looking for ways to settle to not wast peoples time.

There are real doubts whether Brock Turner committed a crime or not and there are probably thousands of cases where a guy has sex with a passed out chick and gets less jail time or off completely.
 
gilesfan said:
Its sad that you think this only happens to people of color. Cops make mistakes. When you comply with them despite them being in the wrong, it ends up a hell of a lot better for all parties involved than when you don't.
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Do I understand your comment to say it is sad only people of color are racially profiled ?
 
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