Not so sure on Machado staying. I know they're in talks on an extension, but the Orioles will have to offer up at least 250 million for him to stay, probably closer to 300 million like Stanton. IMO, if he tests FA, then he is the PERFECT player for us to get. He'll only be 25 years old next offseason and he will almost assuredly ask for an opt-out clause. The team that signs him this time will still get the best years of his career and then if/when he opts out, they won't have to pay for his decline years.
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Not so sure on Machado staying. I know they're in talks on an extension, but the Orioles will have to offer up at least 250 million for him to stay, probably closer to 300 million like Stanton. IMO, if he tests FA, then he is the PERFECT player for us to get. He'll only be 25 years old next offseason and he will almost assuredly ask for an opt-out clause. The team that signs him this time will still get the best years of his career and then if/when he opts out, they won't have to pay for his decline years.
ixiXSolidXixi
Called Up to the Major Leagues
This is the reason i believe the braves are not going to give prospects away and sign players for long terms. They will not waste money. The braves should try to draft JJ Swartz next year that way we may have a few options for the catcher position. I really believe we should go hard for Josh Reddick. Maybe throw a 4 years 60 millions.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
My point is don't spend your money in effort to go from 100 losses to 85 losses and tie up your money when you could wait one year and use that money on one or more impact guys. Everyone wants to build for 2017 when IMO the timing all the way around (level of advancement of impact internal players, FA possibilities, etc.) says that is a fools errand.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
You have to play the year. IMO you don't want young guys to get crushed every night. You have money.
So sign some short term deals for vets that still let you go get anyone you want.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
They have more money than us and are better than us.
You think the Orioles are only going to offer 200 million and the braves are going to go 275?
There is nothing we could aford that the Orioles couldn't also. Even more so for blue jays
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
We could bet on trumbo. He's will Meyers this yr.
He makes 9 million and is 30. So he'll want 4/60? We are not paying anyone next yr much. Maybe we could dump neck. Could we get him to agree to 2/40? Pay him 25 million next yr and 15 the next. He could go to an al team the nxt yr if he's terrible in lf and or someone like Peterson is ready
I feel like we could fill at least 2 prob 3 of the holes (corners in of, 3b, catcher, vet starter) by doing something like the above. Some guys maybe we could do a one year with team option
He makes 9 million and is 30. So he'll want 4/60? We are not paying anyone next yr much. Maybe we could dump neck. Could we get him to agree to 2/40? Pay him 25 million next yr and 15 the next. He could go to an al team the nxt yr if he's terrible in lf and or someone like Peterson is ready
I feel like we could fill at least 2 prob 3 of the holes (corners in of, 3b, catcher, vet starter) by doing something like the above. Some guys maybe we could do a one year with team option
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
rico43
<B>Director of Minor League Reports</B>
Certainly feel the majority of this is solid, except for Bregman and Weiters. Weiters and the Braves had a chance to compare notes a year ago and re-upped with Baltimore. Bregman is a key piece of a team still not yet in his prime.
If Myers and the Padres don't agree to a long term deal -- quite possible -- then he will be very available. We might have to give Fried back to them, but the Braves can afford to deal some arms to a small extent.
Lucroy is past his concussion problems and is looking very good by several accounts, and should be available for less than top dollar. Would like him for three years plus option.
Expect Markakis and Vizcaino to be most likely traded.
As for the bullpen, would be very surprised if Winkler was able to come back in a year's time. But you're also forgetting A.J. Minter, who is the brightest of the rising bullpen stars. Closer stuff if and when he builds up some stamina.
My off the wall deal is for Sonny Gray. Athletics would love to shed his contract and he would be under control. Maybe also Reddick as FA.
If Myers and the Padres don't agree to a long term deal -- quite possible -- then he will be very available. We might have to give Fried back to them, but the Braves can afford to deal some arms to a small extent.
Lucroy is past his concussion problems and is looking very good by several accounts, and should be available for less than top dollar. Would like him for three years plus option.
Expect Markakis and Vizcaino to be most likely traded.
As for the bullpen, would be very surprised if Winkler was able to come back in a year's time. But you're also forgetting A.J. Minter, who is the brightest of the rising bullpen stars. Closer stuff if and when he builds up some stamina.
My off the wall deal is for Sonny Gray. Athletics would love to shed his contract and he would be under control. Maybe also Reddick as FA.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I understand where you're coming from but I just can't buy it.
You have to ask yourself what a Lucroy trade would cost? Let's say Lucroy for Newcomb, Sims and Soroka. I can't see why the Brewers would do it for less than that considering all the teams they have sniffing around.
Now, ask yourself what it would take to get Myers? It's GOT to be more than what you give up for LuCroy. Let's say the Braves don't get stupid and decide that one of Albies or Swanson is available. Then you are likely looking at Fried, Allard and Toussaint.
So, to get those two guys you have to GUT your pitching depth. That's 6 of your top 12 players. I just can't see how that in any way fits the whole purpose of the rebuild.
Now, I admit that I am assuming that the Pads and the Brewers don't just give those guys to the Braves for a bag of magic beans. But, I think I am pretty safe in assuming that.
That would be a pretty crazy price for Lucroy.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
Well, I agree but what do you think they asked Texas for? Brinson and Luis Ortiz?
On the one hand we argue that Teheran should be traded for nothing less than a top 10 prospect, a top 50 and then another guy or two.
I certainly expect the Brewers to want A LOT for Lucroy. Newcomb is a top 30 guy and Sims and Soroka are outside the top 100. The one of the three who looks most likely not to bust is Soroka. You're getting Newcomb on faith.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
They wouldn't. They may move him for prospects but not to dump his contract.
That's what I think we should demand for Teheran, but that doesn't mean it's his true value. But even if it is, you can't compare him to Lucroy, primarily because of the contract situation and because Teheran is 25.
Soroka is pretty firmly inside the top 100 at this point, and there's just no way I would give up 3 pitchers with the kind of ceiling those 3 have for a year of Lucroy. That's crazy.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I am not disagreeing. It is exactly my point.
The Brewers will want that type return. Why wouldn't they. It would be insane for the Braves to give them that type return.
Now, a team in need of a catcher for a legit run at a WS, maybe it isn't insane for them to pay it. And maybe the Brewers get it.
But, when I see all these fix the Braves trades that start with "trade for Lucroy, trade for Meyers, etc." I have to ask trade what??? You aren't getting those guys on consignment or any type of bargain. That means talent is flowing out of the minor league system at a significant rate which is 180 degrees from a rebuild.
But the Brewers are in a more desperate situation with Lucroy than we are with Teheran. They have more incentive to take the best offer, where we can just sit back and keep Teheran if we want.
I do agree with you on people just assuming we can easily trade for Bregman, Myers, Lucroy, etc.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
The Brewers have Lucroy for 2017 as well so they aren't in any immediate need either.
Myers I have never seen except I guess people see the Pads rebuilding and think he can be had (probably) but forget that the Braves are rebuilding too.
Bregman I think is different because the Astros are in a playoff hunt and with a few good moves may be a WS contender and even favorite. They also just signed a veteran Cuban bat that plays 3rd and have an All-Star at SS, also Valbuena has been ok for them at 3rd as well. What they need is SP and the Braves have that in Teheran. Most aren't really trying trade for Bregman without Teheran going the other way. I'm not saying the Stros would do it but I think the move fits better than the other deals - it's a MLB veteran for a highly thought of prospect (plus) instead of highly of prospects for MLB veterans.
Everybody seems to want to build for 2017 when it realistically isn't in the cards.
They can trade him in the offseason, but 1.5 years of a player is far more attractive than 1 year. His value will absolute be lower after the season is over.
I agree about not building for 2017, but I don't see any way Bregman is available. It would take quite a bit more than Teheran to get that done.
ixiXSolidXixi
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I think the Braves should be smart and try to trade with New York for Brian McCann. We can give them Nick Markakis for Brian McCann he used to be a fan favorite. That way we cover a position until our future catchers are ready and we take away Nick Markakis contract. I think we need to be smart with the money of the team and dont waste money in player like Lucroy that they will not help us to win a championship. We will have a chance to win around Maitan, Acuna, Pache, Cruz and Swanson and Albies they are during there pick years. Maybe if we sign someone like Machado or get someone like Arenado our chance to compete will come before.