Republican National Convention

Hilarious that these Trump minions are whining about the "pledge" when he practically threatened to run third party if he lost the nomination.
 
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Ted, get over it. It's time to get behind the nominee, or else you'll be doing you're part in helping Hillary win.
 
Julio3000 said:
I thought that Cruz speech, in the context of a Republican convention, was quite good. I mean, I got a giggle out of his casting the federal government as craven and inept, then mentioning the Apollo program as an example of "what freedom can do," but that's a relatively minor quibble.

His non-endorsement didn't surprise me a bit, but I have to give him credit for the sheer ballsiness of it.
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My respect for him increased.
 
There were a lot of people clapping when Cruz said to vote your conscience. I think even a lot of the people chanting "Endorse Trump" were just doing it for the theater of it.

It's a mob mentality in that room.
 
I think Occam's Razor applies here. Cruz wants to be president, and gambled that the upside of holding his nose and endorsing Trump offered him less upside than going his own way and positioning himself as the standard-bearer for 2020. The subtext is that he not only expects Trump to lose, but figures that the party will be anxious to sweep all things Trump under the rug in the future. As much as he casts himself as an outsider, he appears to be trying to stitch together the traditional R coalition, with some lip service to the populism of the hour.
 
This constant "lesser of two evils thing" is exactly why we are so screwed as a country. We owe it to ourselves and the future of this country to reject two such ****ty candidates.
 
Apparently the Trump team new what was in the speech well in advance. So this was just more theater from Trump. He is really good at the theater. Something pubs haven't been good at in a long time.
 
I'm not a Cruz fan. I am a fan of a man who would stand by his family over party. Trump is a dangerous arseclown in a dangerous world and his idiocy will costs lives. I want no part of him. If that means Hillary is president well so be it. Happy to say now about the R convention., "not my circus not my monkeys."
 
Julio3000 said:
I think Occam's Razor applies here. Cruz wants to be president, and gambled that the upside of holding his nose and endorsing Trump offered him less upside than going his own way and positioning himself as the standard-bearer for 2020.
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The campaign for 2020 begins even before 2016 is over.
 
Matt Walsh (a Cruz cheerleader):

"Ted Cruz just gave a bold, brilliant, powerful speech at the Republican convention. He articulated the principles of conservatism, defended the Constitution, spoke about the beauty and necessity of freedom, and urged the crowd to go to the polls and vote their conscience. For this, he was booed off the stage and Donald Trump -- again proving himself to be a petulant brat -- walked into the hall to step on Cruz's speech and steal his thunder at the end.
No, Cruz did not endorse Trump, and for that I have the utmost respect. There are reports circulating online that the RNC threatened to dish dirt on Cruz if he didn't endorse. Cruz still stuck to his guns. And I'm again reminded why I left the Republican Party. I want to part of what it's become. It is a shame, a disgrace, and an embarrassment.

Let's put everything else aside for a moment -- the fact that Trump is a leftist fraud and so forth -- and concentrate on the fact that Donald Trump slandered Cruz's father and insulted and threatened his wife. Trump never apologized for these things, and in fact has defended doing them. All other political concerns notwithstanding, there is simply no way that an honorable man can kiss the ring of a bully who demeaned and degraded his father and wife. A man of honor cannot do that. There is no way.

Many Trump fans have attacked Cruz for not endorsing. But I wonder if the Trumpkin men would actually become a public surrogate for someone who offended the dignity of their own wives and fathers. And I wonder was the Trumpkin women would think if their own husbands supported someone who'd bullied and attacked them. I can't answer that question for them, but all I can say is that a true man knows where his priorities are. And it's simply more important to stand by your family than by your party. Besides, the party has made it clear that it wants nothing to do with conservatives.

Cruz was electric tonight and he showed what kind of candidate and what kind of general election campaign we could be witnessing right now. But the voters didn't want truth and principle. They wanted something else. And now they have it. All I can say is: Cruz 2020"
 
Julio3000 said:
I think Occam's Razor applies here. Cruz wants to be president, and gambled that the upside of holding his nose and endorsing Trump offered him less upside than going his own way and positioning himself as the standard-bearer for 2020. The subtext is that he not only expects Trump to lose, but figures that the party will be anxious to sweep all things Trump under the rug in the future. As much as he casts himself as an outsider, he appears to be trying to stitch together the traditional R coalition, with some lip service to the populism of the hour.
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He would fit well in the Braves front office. Willing to take the hit now to win in 2020.
 
Runnin said:
Glad to hear you say it but I think you know in your heart there are plenty of "your monkeys" in that crowd. They'll come home when the show's over.
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Not everyone booed. Sure. Why does it matter that some in that hall would agree with me on numerous points? And sure, I'll vote for some who have R by their names. But my allegiance isn't to the R party - hasn't ever been. It's just that it is now easier to be independent.
 
Yep. Cruz's chances of ever becoming president are likely done. This will be remembered four years from now
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CrimsonCowboy said:
Cruz's team met immediately to discuss the fallout of the speech. They may still be meeting, per Twitter reports.
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Impossible for me to believe Cruz didn't know not endorsing would be unpopular in the room.

The real fallout of that speech will be a long time coming.
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
Yep. Cruz's chances of ever becoming president are likely done. This will be remembered four years from now
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He may have added to the general party damage, making his support base weaker in the future. Or it could still play out as the smart move. A lot will have to do with Hillary and her luck.
 
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