Trade Deadline: What are you willing to do?

nsacpi said:
I agree that we should spend money rather than money and prospects to fill our holes. This means signing a couple free agents. But we could also get some players on contracts that teams are willing to move. Kemp for example would cost money (his salary) but not much in the way of prospects. I'd also be open to trading someone like Markakis to fill needs at other positions. Markakis for McCann for example might work, though I suspect we'd have to send a second tier prospect to even things out.
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I've been kicking that around for a few days to see what I thought might be a fit, but I'm afraid the price might be a little too steep for our liking. If someone like Ellis or Whalen would get it done, I'd probably bite. Just have a feeling that Cashman would push for Jenkins or Gant, and that's a little steep for my liking. Would I go that far if push came to shove? Probably. Just not sure I'd like it. I still think Jenkins or Gant could be important parts of a package to land a younger 3B or LF. Also not really sure the Yankees would take Markakis - then they'd have 3 left-handed OFs even if they were able to get something significant if they move Beltran.

I guess my inclination is to hold onto everyone and play in the shallower end of the pool this winter (depending on how much payroll goes up, of course). If we could add Castro/Ramos/Wieters behind the plate, Turner/Prado/Desmond at 3B, and Desmond/Gomez/Saunders/Trumbo in LF on 2-3 year deals, plus Swanson and Albies this team would be significantly improved next season. That would buy time for Peterson and Ruiz, allow for the possibility for a breakout from someone like Cumberland, Riley, or Davidson if the light suddenly came on, and leave us all those arms.
 
I think a fair trade would be McCann for Markakis plus one from a list that would include Ellis, Whalen, Jenkins, Perez, Blair. I would not make Gant available.
 
yeezus said:
Wow, really down on Blair after a few rough starts?
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not really selling Blair short.. I personally think Ellis, Jenkins, Blair, Perez and Gant are all those #3 ceiling type guys.. probably more 4/5 type.. Whalen I don't know so won't comment on him. But that crop is expendable IMO.. I like them, they all have a future in the MLB, but not all of them on the Braves. If we can trade two of them from that list, I would be ok with that.
 
yeezus said:
Wow, really down on Blair after a few rough starts?
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To be fair...I rate him as the best of the group of five I listed him in. But I don't rate him as highly as Gant. Among the guys in the majors or upper minors, I see him as behind Teheran, Wisler, Folty, Gant, Newcomb and Sims. There is a thread about ranking our starters that I thought was fairly interesting. Where would you put him.
 
What does everyone think about Markakis for Matt Harvey in Baltimore.

Harvey's been hurt for two years and is just now undergoing TJ surgery so will be out 12-18 more months. I see it as a high risk/reward type play that I would do to get rid of Markakis' contract.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
What does everyone think about Markakis for Matt Harvey in Baltimore.

Harvey's been hurt for two years and is just now undergoing TJ surgery so will be out 12-18 more months. I see it as a high risk/reward type play that I would do to get rid of Markakis' contract.
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I'd do it. Don't think the O's would and don't think JC would.
 
I would do viz for Oneal, since viz has multiple years of control teams still have interest.
Markakis money and Jenkins for our pick of vallot/boni/dozier.
Cubs may be interested in Reddick make it a three team trade with the braves receiving soler and the A's getting Dewess from the Cubs and Ellis from us. I would like to buy low now if possible on soler.
 
Given the right return, I am open to trading any and all of Viz, Withrow, Krol, Cervenka, Cabrera, Johnson, O'Flaherty ...pretty much every reliever on the MLB team except Alvarez right now. I would keep Cabrera if I thought he had figured out the control thing.

Relievers come. Relievers go. Most of these guys aren't likely to be anywhere around when the Braves have a good chance to be good again.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Given the right return, I am open to trading any and all of Viz, Withrow, Krol, Cervenka, Cabrera, Johnson, O'Flaherty ...pretty much every reliever on the MLB team except Alvarez right now. I would keep Cabrera if I thought he had figured out the control thing.

Relievers come. Relievers go. Most of these guys aren't likely to be anywhere around when the Braves have a good chance to be good again.
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I would agree, except I would keep Cabrera and Dario speed wagon for certain.. I would like to keep Withrow as well.. at least until next deadline.. Give us more time to see how Paco/Simmons/Winkler respond.
 
nsacpi said:
To be fair...I rate him as the best of the group of five I listed him in. But I don't rate him as highly as Gant. Among the guys in the majors or upper minors, I see him as behind Teheran, Wisler, Folty, Gant, Newcomb and Sims. There is a thread about ranking our starters that I thought was fairly interesting. Where would you put him.
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It's really tough to say. As far as ceiling, he isn't in the top like 8. I want to like Gant better, but I feel that's strictly based on stats. Blair has always been more highly thought of, which can mean absolutely nothing of course. I think I still like him too much moving forward to throw him into that kind of deal. But it is hard to put Gant behind him right now based on results.
 
PurpleBrave said:
Does Braun to Atlanta have legs or is it just fans dreaming up ideas
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Pretty much us dreaming up ideas, but it is a logical fit IF the Braves want to try to compete next year. He is an impact RHed OF bat that should be available, and that's exactly what the Braves need. The cost in terms of money and prospects is obviously the sticking point.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Lucroy is still going to get a haul. I think it will be 2 top 100 guys or close to it.

Jenkins is not going to get you Braun IMO. I think Braun, especially if you move him to LF is going to be a plus. RH power is our biggest need and I think he can do it for a long time. His money isn't terrible as salaries go up and up and up.

If the Brewers think Braun is half as bad as you do, then we should be able to get him for Gant or Perez as a salary dump.

I would NOT do it. But I think Braun + Lucroy is probably going to be Newcombe + . We really Need Newcombe to work out and be a 1 or 2. Not the centerpiece for over 30 y/o players.
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I don't think it was my valuation of Braun that was my problem. Looks like I severely underestimated the value of Lucroy. BP did a mock GM thing where Lucroy went to Texas for Gallo, Morgan and Ortiz (the Rangers' #1, #4 and #9 prospects).

No way in hell should the Braves give up something like Swanson, Allard and Riley for Lucroy!!
 
And speaking of Braun, here's what Dave Cameron just speculated:

"Lucroy, Smith, and Jeffress are all on the move here, so it’s not like I don’t have them doing anything, but I think Ryan Braun stays in Milwaukee through the deadline; he’s an easy August trade guy, so there’s no real time pressure for them to get something done now. Let everyone sort out their needs by July 31st, then figure out who still wants Braun next month."

Calling someone an "easy August trade guy" means he is a guy that should pass through waivers (because nobody wants his contract) and can then be traded. While that confirms my opinion that Braun has a negative value, it also brings up the thought of the Braves claiming him off waivers. They should pretty much be #1 in line for all waiver claims. What if the Braves claim him and then agree to take on his whole contract in exchange for a marginal pitching prospect?

How would adding Braun this August change the outlook and planning for the Braves in 2017?
 
Enscheff said:
And speaking of Braun, here's what Dave Cameron just speculated:

"Lucroy, Smith, and Jeffress are all on the move here, so it’s not like I don’t have them doing anything, but I think Ryan Braun stays in Milwaukee through the deadline; he’s an easy August trade guy, so there’s no real time pressure for them to get something done now. Let everyone sort out their needs by July 31st, then figure out who still wants Braun next month."

Calling someone an "easy August trade guy" means he is a guy that should pass through waivers (because nobody wants his contract) and can then be traded. While that confirms my opinion that Braun has a negative value, it also brings up the thought of the Braves claiming him off waivers. They should pretty much be #1 in line for all waiver claims. What if the Braves claim him and then agree to take on his whole contract in exchange for a marginal pitching prospect?

How would adding Braun this August change the outlook and planning for the Braves in 2017?
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IDK, He's owed $76M through the end of his contract with buy out. He's obtaining his numbers in a good hitters park, in a generally good hitters division. That's a lot of cash. I might try to get it done before the deadline and expand it if they are truly looking to shed payroll.

Maybe go Braun, Garza, OF Phillips for Markakis and Blair.

Then turn around and try to move Braun in August.
 
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