zbhargrove
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Wouldn't be disappointed with Furcal. Would be with Betemit
Some perspective on what Ozzy is doing
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Wouldn't be disappointed with Furcal. Would be with Betemit
What's funny is that Betemit actually has a better career OPS than Furcal albeit in like only a 3rd of the games Furcal played in. But for each players overall career arc I would agree.
Russ2dollas
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Altuve wasn't altuve early either.
I think that you have to consider that when we get into the fight about when to start Ozzie's clock. Altuve didn't come up until 21 IIRC and wasn't above a 750 OPS for 2 seasons I think. Yes, some of that is age but I think a lot is that you have to let young guys work through their early struggles.
I think that you have to consider that when we get into the fight about when to start Ozzie's clock. Altuve didn't come up until 21 IIRC and wasn't above a 750 OPS for 2 seasons I think. Yes, some of that is age but I think a lot is that you have to let young guys work through their early struggles.
zbhargrove
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Yeah I'm talking Furcal in his prime. He had quite a few subpar years and injuries in the end. Betemit was successful because if I remember he was a very successful part time starter/platoon player. Plus he had more power... I think Albies will hit for better average and have a bit more power than Furcal... Not sure about stolen bases. Probably not as much
Expecting and hoping are two different things. There is nothing wrong with being disappointed when a player doesn't reach his projected ceiling. It doesn't mean I hate the player. It doesn't mean I'm not a fan anymore. It doesn't mean I think the player is useless.
Furcal was a .750 OPS middle infielder with a few .800 OPS years sprinkled in. So yes, I would be disappointed if Albies became Furcal minus the arm.
Furcal was a 10-15 HR guy in his prime. He was much more solidly built than Albies appears to be. Much more muscular even though he is short.
I bet you $1 Albies never hits 15 HR (over the fence!) in a season.
I was curios so went back. I think you just used qualified hitters, which is fine.
But, I did notice a couple:
Heyward .352/.446/.611 in 195 PA
Freeman .248/.308/.342 in 169 PA
J.Upton .309/.399/.556 in 306 PA
D. Young .336/.386/.582 in 370 PA
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Gosh... I really wonder what happened to Heyward's power... He was a beast in rookie year, but after that thumb injury has been straight downhill. I wonder if it's all isolated to that
And/or getting hit in the face
nsacpi
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Over the years there have been many Altuve like prospects. But only a very small number turn into an Altuve like player. That's what we have to keep in mind about all prospects.
I just keep going back to the fact that he's 19 -- and is on pace to post the highest BA in the Southern League in 11+ years.
Yes there's BABIP luck and yes there will be regression; but my gawd - he's 19 and compiling one of the more statistically impressive offensive season in recent memory as a middle-infielder with + defense. Just a total stud.
Also, goes to show how much of a crapshoot the international market is; this is a guy that barely made waves when he signed for $300K, and now he's one of the best prospects in baseball.
Yes there's BABIP luck and yes there will be regression; but my gawd - he's 19 and compiling one of the more statistically impressive offensive season in recent memory as a middle-infielder with + defense. Just a total stud.
Also, goes to show how much of a crapshoot the international market is; this is a guy that barely made waves when he signed for $300K, and now he's one of the best prospects in baseball.
Russ2dollas
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I am aware.
My point was that Altuve OPS his first three years was 654, 740, 678. He'd be a bust on this board before he got to year 4.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Well. I don't think he was ever an elite prospect. Which makes his blossoming into the player he has become this year even more remarkable.
zbhargrove
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So Albies is 3 inches taller and about the same weight... He can't fill out anymore with more muscle as he grows? Dudes 19 man.
Furcal is listed at 5'8 and 195. I don't care what Albies is "generously" listed at (5'9), he is not bigger than Furcal (where you got 3" taller baffles me).
Did you ever see Furcal when he first came up? He was chiseled.
Anyways, I still contend Albies will never hit 15 balls over the fence in a season if he's playing in Atlanta.
3 inches taller.....what? Have you seen Albies? He looks like a bat boy.
zbhargrove
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Maybe because I wasn't talking about Furcal... You told me he didn't have any chance to have power like Altuve who I was actually talking about. I don't know if he ever hits 15 or not, but it's too early for you to really know that.
zbhargrove
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He is 3 inches taller than Altuve... Altuve is 5'6"... Altuve weighs 5 pounds more. Plenty of room for a 19 year old to add muscle if he wants to
zbhargrove
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Just going by their specs on all the stat sites man... You will argue about the smallest sh*t, I swear. I guess the organization lies about his height. He probably does too.