Olivera traded for Kemp

Russ2dollas said:
Jace is a 769 ops vs rh
Kemp is over 1000 ops vs lefties. Over 800 last yr

You platoon kemp and d sub him late and he might give u some value.
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Yup. Rest Kemp some against righties (using Peterson and Smith when he comes back). Do the same with Markakis against lefties now and then (using Francoeur this year and maybe with Garcia playing outfield some next year).
 
nsacpi said:
The Kemp trade reflects the conclusion on the part of the front-office that it is less risky to take on a contract like Kemp's with 3 years left on it than to try make a big splash on a 6 year deal for Cespedes. There is no guarantee we could have signed Cespedes even if we had gone all out.

I suspect that there is a similar conclusion that it makes more sense to take on a contract like McCann's than to go after free agent catchers or try to extent Lucroy.

Doing moves that involve contracts of players with limited or negative surplus value also reduces the need to trade assets from the farm system.
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Yep, and I'm pretty happy about that. Last thing I want to see us do is go nuts on long term deals to guys with our roster/talent the way it is right now. This will allow things to unfold more naturally. Sign a non-QO 3B like Freese or Prado in the offseason and either sign Castro or trade minimal talent for Mac to play C and I'll be fairly happy. This trade and seeing us interested in Mac makes me less worried about the FO royally screwing up our talent base and plan based on the new stadium.
 
I'd be fine with getting a stop gap at 3b or catcher like Prado or Mac. Whichever place we get a stopgap at I hope the other we do make a substantial trade and get a good young player for the long term.
 
So net payroll dollars per year to get Kemp and get rid of HO:

2017 +$12.25MM
2018 +$11.75MM
2019 +$10.75MM
2020 -$8.5MM

So over the course of the next 4 years, we will pay Kemp $26.25MM more than we would have paid HO.

Assuming $7MM equals 1 WAR, Kemp will need to be worth roughly 1.25 WAR per year for the 2017-2019 seasons for this to break even for the Braves. Otherwise we would have been better off just releasing HO and eating his remaining salary.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Neither are irrelevant, but both are close.

According to Inside Edge fielding, he's made all 144 routine (90-100%) chances that he's gotten. He's made 14 of 19 likely (60-90%) chances. And he's made 4-11 even chances.

So basically, his "atrocious" defense means he didn't get to 2 balls he should've gotten to. I'll live with it. He's got a big boomstick.
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You are forgetting the 50/50 balls he's not getting to or the balls that are possible for a decent defender to get too

Anyone that donwplays his defense hasnt seen him play defense. Its pathetic how bad it is and that is backed up by stats.
 
Oklahomabrave said:
I'd be fine with getting a stop gap at 3b or catcher like Prado or Mac. Whichever place we get a stopgap at I hope the other we do make a substantial trade and get a good young player for the long term.
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There aren't any good young catchers available really. Contreras could have possibly been available last offseason, but he sure isn't now. Only 5 catchers in the midseason top 100, and outside of possibly Sanchez from the Yanks none of them really look like big upside guys. Not really much in the way of good young players for 3B either.

I'd take a run at Hunter Dozier from the Royals, but he's far from a sure thing.
 
I'm cautiously optimistic about this one. We didn't give up anything in terms of talent—even if Olivera turns into something, I'd just as soon it be elsewhere. I'm happy to have a guy in the lineup other than Fred who can put the ball in the seats more frequently than a lunar eclipse.

My SSS observations of Kemp's defense is that it's pretty awful, but I can live with that if he can make an impact at the plate. I subscribe to sacpi's observation that this is preferable to making a spendy play for a FA OF.

In other news, Matt Kemp became the newest Brave around the same time that Senora Julio showed maturity, clutchness, and veteran leadership in bringing the newest member of our brood into the world. Early scouting reports suggest a scrappy middle-infield type.
 
Julio3000 said:
In other news, Matt Kemp became the newest Brave around the same time that Senora Julio showed maturity, clutchness, and veteran leadership in bringing the newest member of our brood into the world. Early scouting reports suggest a scrappy middle-infield type.
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After more time to reflect on it. I now really hate the Olivera trade from last year. Would you have traded that haul that we had for Matt Kemp and a lot of cash? There's no way that I would have. I wouldn't have given up just Wood or Peraza for that. While most of our rebuild moves were good ones (though IMO the only way to save Markakis is to trade him especially after acquiring Kemp, someone who's got no glove skills) the move to trade a young controlled lefty, a high value SS prospect, and a few medium value relievers for a fringe prospect, a medium value reliever, and Matt Kemp? Nope. Epic failure in a rebuild. Wood and Peraza could have been partnered up in a trade for a much better cost piece. We coudl have traded both of them and gotten back a good prospect who may fail butif they failed we wouldn't be on the hook for 26M or whatever.
 
zitothebrave said:
After more time to reflect on it. I now really hate the Olivera trade from last year. Would you have traded that haul that we had for Matt Kemp and a lot of cash? There's no way that I would have. I wouldn't have given up just Wood or Peraza for that. While most of our rebuild moves were good ones (though IMO the only way to save Markakis is to trade him especially after acquiring Kemp, someone who's got no glove skills) the move to trade a young controlled lefty, a high value SS prospect, and a few medium value relievers for a fringe prospect, a medium value reliever, and Matt Kemp? Nope. Epic failure in a rebuild. Wood and Peraza could have been partnered up in a trade for a much better cost piece. We coudl have traded both of them and gotten back a good prospect who may fail butif they failed we wouldn't be on the hook for 26M or whatever.
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Again, it also got us Joey Wentz... still a bad trade, but Coppy even said it was a bad trade. He owned up to it... it happened, no reason to keep dwelling on it. Kemp is at least an okay recovery and we now have a right handed power bat to compliment Freeman. I think it was pretty good that we got Kemp for the black hole that is Olivera... especially when we're only owing Kemp about 8-9 million a year.
 
nsacpi said:
The Kemp trade reflects the conclusion on the part of the front-office that it is less risky to take on a contract like Kemp's with 3 years left on it than to try make a big splash on a 6 year deal for Cespedes. There is no guarantee we could have signed Cespedes even if we had gone all out.
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Yeah, I definitely like this deal better than the proposition of signing a big-splash free agent that comes with significant dead money at the end of the contract. The best thing about the likely dead money in this Kemp deal is that it's front-loaded given how the Olivera money offsets.

Are there more effective ways to spend $31.5m than this? Definitely. Are there more effective ways to spend $31.5m to get someone you perceive to be a middle of the order hitter? Perhaps not. If the goal was to get a RHH cleanup hitter at all costs, it could certainly have been worse than this.
 
I still want to know what went wrong with the scouting of Olivera. How did our scouts think he was going to hit close to .300 with 20 or so HRs and be able to play 3B? It was such a huge whiff. It was instantly apparent that Olivera was a seriously flawed player.
 
Tapate50 said:
Turned a nothing asset into something. Good deal
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That something is a negative value player.

Copy's comments suggests he views kemp as a legit player. He should be a platoon lf and pinch hitter vs lh. Anything more suggests disaster

Wrc+ 170 vs lh and 85 vs rh.

85. He hits hr but at that rate we could prob bring demerits up now and let him wander into 25 hr while striking out half the time
 
striker42 said:
I still want to know what went wrong with the scouting of Olivera. How did our scouts think he was going to hit close to .300 with 20 or so HRs and be able to play 3B? It was such a huge whiff. It was instantly apparent that Olivera was a seriously flawed player.
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To be fair, it wasn't just our scouts that were hoodwinked... quite a few reports, Badler included said he should be a very good MLB hitter. However, after he had already signed with LA and we had been able to scout him in their system, it should have been more apparent.
 
Including Olivera in the trade was nothing more than a public relations gimmick. Many casual fans will see this as a coup . . . "I can't believe Coppy was able to trade that scrub Olivera for all-star player Matt Kemp!!!" Olivera was immediately DFA'd by San Diego. The Braves could have just as easily DFA'd him yesterday. Olivera was just the personification of a $30m check in this deal.
 
striker42 said:
I still want to know what went wrong with the scouting of Olivera. How did our scouts think he was going to hit close to .300 with 20 or so HRs and be able to play 3B? It was such a huge whiff. It was instantly apparent that Olivera was a seriously flawed player.
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It wasn't just our scouts. Everyone in baseball was wrong on him. The moral of the story for me is be wary of older Cuban players.
 
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