The guys arguing about this already know that. Don't try to reason with information that doesn't fit their narrative.
Olivera traded for Kemp
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The guys arguing about this already know that. Don't try to reason with information that doesn't fit their narrative.
Southcack77
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I don't really see why you'd look at it that way but in prepared to accept that the braves do or at least want fans to look at it that way.
Why not? HO is a sunk cost that the Braves are paying regardless. Accepting that it's not hard to see Kemp as a 3/26 deal or whatever it is.
If you can't understand sunk costs you really don't have any business talking about the financial aspects of MLB roster construction, let alone criticizing financial decisions. Folks with your level of understanding should probably stick to admiring hustle and enjoying the pretty uniforms.
Its really not that simple bc we could have simply cut HO and eaten the cost. The team is paying that money, plus paying Kemp. We now have roughly 18 mil tied up per year in a sub 1 WAR player as opposed to roughly 7 mil per year tied up in nothing.
You just made the point very well. That money is spent whether you cut HO or trade him. It has no bearing on Kemp whatsoever. You can't claim to be paying HO and paying Kemp $18M. You spent the money on one of them, but not both.
How is it not that simple? It's an additional 11-12 million or so for 3 years while clearing 8 million in salary in 2020. The total money difference from 2017 onward is an extra 26 million spread out over 3 years.
additional being the key word. There is no discount on Kemp. They are still paying all but 11 million of Kemps contract when they didn't need to. We are not "just paying Kemp 3/30."
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Who cares? We have nothing to spend money on and maybe an $80m payroll if we sign a few scrubby free agents. It could be less.
We could light the money on fire or pay Matt Kemp $10m to hit 35 bombs and stand in left field. I'll take door number two.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I'm not in love with Kemp, but I'd take Door #2 as well. He's a lousy OF, but he's a legit clean-up hitter.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Awesome! Congrats. A chip off the chip off the old rock. Keep in mind, though, that the third generation rarely retains the qualities of the first two...we, as Braves fans, enjoy this maxim six days a week, six months a year as we listen to Chip carry that heavy Carabina mantle.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Kinda looks like the only "nay" vote is Giles, over and over and over. So it's either a decent or good deal.
Do semantics really matter to you? HO is a sunk cost. That's 28 million the Braves were eating regardless. So this trade could be looked at as keeping HO and getting Kemp on a 3/26 year deal. Word it or rationalize it however you want.
UNCBlue012
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Exactly. He strengthens our lineup. He's not a clubhouse cancer. He's pretty cheap. It got rid of Olivera, and he's hit 15 homers with 42 RBIs away
sturg33
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I don't hate this trade but I don't like it either. I would have rather not done it. The main reason is because we now have plugged up a place we could realistically improve with a very expensive and not very good player.
Now we have Markakis and Kemp. It'd be nice to be able to have the flexibility to use the corner OF spots to get younger and better. Not older and "meh"
Lastly... I'm sad how bad our defense has gotten. We went from one of the best defensive teams in baseball a couple years ago and now we have guys like Adonis, Aybar, Markakis, Kemp playing for us. Doing our pitchers no favors at all
Now we have Markakis and Kemp. It'd be nice to be able to have the flexibility to use the corner OF spots to get younger and better. Not older and "meh"
Lastly... I'm sad how bad our defense has gotten. We went from one of the best defensive teams in baseball a couple years ago and now we have guys like Adonis, Aybar, Markakis, Kemp playing for us. Doing our pitchers no favors at all
Kemp will be better once he learns the Braves Way.
I don't see anyone in upcoming FA that would fit that bill. And trading for such a player would take valuable farm assets. And I think that was part of the motivation of this. Costs zero prospects or draft picks and is only a 3 year deal. Clears up salary in 2020 as well.
7 million per is being wasted regardless if it is on Olivera or Kemp. So the only thing we have done is added about 30 million over the next 3 years, and there is a decent chance he's worth that.
I dont know that hes a legit cleanup hitter but hes certainly not a poor hitter. I guess the move was more pointless than actually a good move. Hes not going to help the team win in the next 3 years and eat a ton of salary. Unless ita year 2 and he misses half the year with his arthritic hip.
How much does Kemp count against the cap over the next 3+ years?