Olivera traded for Kemp

GovClintonTyree said:
He's been ragged on for five years. How is he overrated?

If we had prospects who needed to play, why would we have started the year with KJ, Francoeur, and Markakis as corners?

Agree to disagree.
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This. Good lord. You would think we have a five tool prospect ready to go. Peterson is a favorite of mine. When he's ready to go I'm sure it'll be fine. Otherwise, Kemp is the least thing I'm worried about with the makeup of this MLB team.
 
clvclv said:
And exactly which prospect might that be?
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Well, unless we trade Inciarte and Markakis he will likely be blocking either Mallex or Peterson by the middle of next year. I'm not as big on Peterson as most, but I know many on here consider him a really good OF prospect.
 
chop2chip said:
Okay... And Kemp still was signed for the same amount of money which was my point.
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Do you think total dollars are more important than percentage of team salary? One of my current projects is grading guys based on WAR versus team salary to gauge what players are most valuable. A 10 million dollar contract on a 150 million payroll team is different than on a 100 million payroll team.

The analysis has some warts, but I Think its important to gauge how much of a drag high earners on low payroll teams are.
 
gilesfan said:
Do you think total dollars are more important than percentage of team salary? One of my current projects is grading guys based on WAR versus team salary to gauge what players are most valuable. A 10 million dollar contract on a 150 million payroll team is different than on a 100 million payroll team.

The analysis has some warts, but I Think its important to gauge how much of a drag high earners on low payroll teams are.
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Until we start developing better prospects it's a risk we have to take. And who knows if our payroll will increase for next year.
 
gilesfan said:
Do you think total dollars are more important than percentage of team salary? One of my current projects is grading guys based on WAR versus team salary to gauge what players are most valuable. A 10 million dollar contract on a 150 million payroll team is different than on a 100 million payroll team.

The analysis has some warts, but I Think its important to gauge how much of a drag high earners on low payroll teams are.
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Sure it matters, but the cost of acquiring players is irrespective of those factors.

You also have to factor in payroll slack. If the Braves budget is actually $120 million, then theoretically it doesn't really matter what Kemp costs if we are that far below the threshold.
 
Essentially the Padres paid the braves 25 million to take Kemp.

That speaks to his value.

Kemp's performance is going to really determine which front office looks foolish. It could go either way and that is the gamble.

I don't think the braves trumpeting that they've picked up a major heart of the order rebuilding piece is necessarily how baseball sees it, but if it turns out that way they've made a good move.

Kind of speaks to their thoughts about improving the team through free agency though.

I guess limiting exposure through 2019 maybe fits the rebuilding timeline.

If it works, he'll be coming off about the time the team should be contending.
 
Also, taking Teheran off market and making this trade confirms the pressure the front office has to be respectable, which is kind of disappointing. Still they did this without prospect or draft pick loss so it's better than it could be.
 
auyushu said:
Well, unless we trade Inciarte and Markakis he will likely be blocking either Mallex or Peterson by the middle of next year. I'm not as big on Peterson as most, but I know many on here consider him a really good OF prospect.
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JMO, but I don't think there's any way that Inciarte, Markakis, and Mallex will all be with the team by the time camp opens next February. Now which one will be traded, I have no clue. My guess is that a lot will depend on what Mallex shows them when he gets back. If Mallex continues to progress, Inciarte would be more than "expendable". I'd never argue with those who would prefer trading Markakis and sliding Ender over to RF if we could, but I'm not sure that's going to happen (and Ender probably gets a better return as well).

I'm probably one of Dustin's biggest supporters, but I have no problem with giving him another full season to work on turning on the ball and turning some of those 2Bs into HRs - he's only 21, and that would eat up next year on Kemp's contract. I don't think anyone would disagree that Peterson isn't close to being the type of RH "protection" Freddie needs - yet.

Also, someone mentioned the DH earlier - assuming we see it in the NL (and I'm in the camp that sees that as a very realistic scenario), replacing Kemp's LF defense with Peterson (or even a Peterson/Mallex platoon) and having that 30 HR bat behind Freddie for the last two years we'll have to pay Kemp wouldn't be awful IMO.

In the end, having too many bats (even if they are Kemp and Mac) would seem to me to be something that ought to stop some of the griping around here - Lord knows THAT hasn't been a problem in a while.
 
Perfect Cell said:
Adding 25m in contractual obligations. Getting a defensively challenged, High power low contact high k guy. A Worse Justin Upton, and people here hated Justin Upton.

Not a great deal. Sure we got rid of Olivera but we shouldnt have traded for him in the first place. Also theres more OF than At Bats. Hoping Nick Markakis gets dealt today.
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Who the hell here hated Justin Upton?
 
Southcack77 said:
What do you think they are paying kemp next year. It seems as though it's either 18m or 15 m.

3 yr/54 million.
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20ish million of that is money we already had committed to Olivera. So technically you can look at it like we're paying Kemp 3/30
 
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