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bravesfanMatt said:
which is exactly what I said. But many have judged this trade on what has happened since, but only for HO. Wood and Jose always goes back to the same argument 'There value at the time of the trade'... You can't say that and not look at HO value (regardless of how he fit for the Braves) at the time of the trade. I didn't like the trade because he didn't fit our time frame.. but at the time of the trade, he had value as well.

Also, you can do the research, but HO was hitting over .300 and OPSing over .800 in the Dodgers minor league system. in AAA Okl. he had a .968 OPS (only 31 abs) and a .855 in AA..
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this is also a valid point.

The performance of Oliveira is almost entirely what people evaluate, while substring to some perceived value that Wood and Peraza had at that moment in time. They don't want to talk about what the trades players did out of a Braves uniform and suggest that it doesn't really matter.

So hindsight on one side of the equation with a completely unverifiable perceived value at a moment in time on the other side.

I think the reality of this trade is that it didn't much work out for either team particularly well.
 
It doesn't look good for Wood right now, but I was pretty pissed at the time. I was a big Alex Wood fan and thought he was an absolute bulldog. I guess it all depends on Kemp now? ;)
 
I am still pissed because we traded for Olivera as if he was a proven player. You don't trade multiple mlb pieces for one prospect.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Not a good trade. But certainly not anywhere near the Swanson deal.

It's like Coppy got blind drunk and fell in love with an old road whore at the bar and all his friends watched him get pulled upstairs. Even though she was relatively cheap and it turned out that there was no long term effects of the gift that kept on giving, it's not something you want to discuss ever again.
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Coppy didn't make that trade. Hart did.
 
thewupk said:
I would say the draft pick did get taken away from the Braves. Because they knew there was going to be one attached to Tex going somewhere else in FA.
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But the Angels didn't specifically trade for the draft pick as they attempted to resign Tex. But the Braves did specifically trade for the draft pick as it was part of the deal, and apparently it was a pretty important piece of the trade for them.
 
Carp said:
But the Angels didn't specifically trade for the draft pick as they attempted to resign Tex. But the Braves did specifically trade for the draft pick as it was part of the deal, and apparently it was a pretty important piece of the trade for them.
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Braves attempted to resign Tex as well. But that was part of the consolation when trading for soon to be FA's then. You knew you had that added draft pick and that was always part of the value when getting such a player. And yes I'm sure the draft pick in this trade was important to them. But at this point I think it's trying to put a positive spin on the deal. They had a hard on for HO and it proved to be a disaster.
 
mfree80 said:
Hindsight can be a real pain sometimes. Certainly not how it was intended to turn out.
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Many here expressed concerns at the trade of even Wood for Olivera given his age and lack of experience. COppy made the trade much worse by trading Olivera for Kemp. That was moronic.
 
yeezus said:
So you are more intelligent than the FO correct?
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It wasn't hard to see this move as being a bad one. At the time fans were wondering when the Braves would finally move pitching for offense. It gets announced that Wood (a good, young, and controllable starter) is getting traded. Fans are excited that's its finally happening that we are moving pitching for hitting. And then we get HO who is an unproven 30 year old cuban with his best baseball days behind him. That's is not what should have happened and had plenty of skepticism behind it. The FO has done a lot of really good moves the last year and a half of so. This was not one of them and it was clear to see.
 
Bringing in Olivera was a disaster. Letting go of Peraza and Wood wasn't.

It wasn't a good trade, but it also wasn't awful overall. We could have tried to get more for Peraza and Wood, but it's looking more and more like LA didn't really get much in the deal, either.

Wentz could eventually even make the deal a win for us in the end.
 
thewupk said:
It wasn't hard to see this move as being a bad one. At the time fans were wondering when the Braves would finally move pitching for offense. It gets announced that Wood (a good, young, and controllable starter) is getting traded. Fans are excited that's its finally happening that we are moving pitching for hitting. And then we get HO who is an unproven 30 year old cuban with his best baseball days behind him. That's is not what should have happened and had plenty of skepticism behind it. The FO has done a lot of really good moves the last year and a half of so. This was not one of them and it was clear to see.
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I'm saying the Olivera for Kemp part. I don't think it was "moronic."
 
yeezus said:
I'm saying the Olivera for Kemp part. I don't think it was "moronic."
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By itself I don't think it is as it's a decent gamble to boost the offense and likely better than anything in FA given what it took to get Kemp. The overall chain of events is not good though.
 
thewupk said:
By itself I don't think it is as it's a decent gamble to boost the offense and likely better than anything in FA given what it took to get Kemp. The overall chain of events is not good though.
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Well, sure, that's pretty objectively true.
 
thewupk said:
Braves attempted to resign Tex as well. But that was part of the consolation when trading for soon to be FA's then. You knew you had that added draft pick and that was always part of the value when getting such a player. And yes I'm sure the draft pick in this trade was important to them. But at this point I think it's trying to put a positive spin on the deal. They had a hard on for HO and it proved to be a disaster.
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I don't recall the Braves ever making an offer to Tex. The draft pick was of little relevance to a team like the Angels. At the time, they would much rather have resigned Tex.

You comparison is deeply flawed. Ever since the rebuild began, the Braves have placed a high value on compiling draft picks. Their value of this draft pick should not be ignored.
 
Carp said:
I don't recall the Braves ever making an offer to Tex. The draft pick was of little relevance to a team like the Angels. At the time, they would much rather have resigned Tex.

You comparison is deeply flawed. Ever since the rebuild began, the Braves have placed a high value on compiling draft picks. Their value of this draft pick should not be ignored.
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I don't know if they made an offer but they wanted to keep him. It was just obvious he was out of their price range. I'm not saying to ignore the pick but it was hardly what they went into this deal for. They wanted a middle of the order bat with minimal cost. They got a woman beater.
 
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